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re: LSU Great Ben Simmons making his first NBA All-star appearance
Posted on 2/1/19 at 12:51 pm to atltiger6487
Posted on 2/1/19 at 12:51 pm to atltiger6487
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no one is required to play college ball. He could've sat out or played internationally. No requirement to play in college. He also could've stayed in Australia throughout high school and then he could've gone straight into the NBA.
so he chose to play at LSU and people hate him for it?
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Posted on 2/1/19 at 12:53 pm to Lester Earl
quote:good lord, Lester, "scoring" isn't the same as "shooting."
Can’t shoot!!!
Ben scores because the NBA rules prohibit zones or extreme sagging off of a player. So Ben can beat his man off the dribble and shoot layups. He also scores in transition. So he's good at that.
But he can't shoot a lick. Hasn't made a single 3-pointer in his NBA career.
If you'd look at his shot chart (data is from a month ago) he's 211-343 in the paint. Only 5-26 outside the paint.
He literally takes 93% of his shots in the paint.
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This post was edited on 2/1/19 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 2/1/19 at 12:54 pm to lsufball19
quote:he chose to play at LSU only because his godfather was on the coaching staff at the time. No other reason. And Ben left campus as soon as he could.
so he chose to play at LSU and people hate him for it?
Posted on 2/1/19 at 12:56 pm to Tiger Ree
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LSU Single Season Player Ben Simmons
Posted on 2/1/19 at 12:56 pm to TigerLunatik
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He also could've stayed in Australia throughout high school and then he could've gone straight into the NBA.
quote:well hell, then he got extreme value from playing in college for a year. Doesn't fit his narrative, though.
Could have sure, but wouldn't have had the exposure and probably wouldn't have been the #1 overall pick IMO.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 12:56 pm to atltiger6487
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he chose to play at LSU only because his godfather was on the coaching staff at the time. No other reason. And Ben left campus as soon as he could.
and?
Posted on 2/1/19 at 12:57 pm to atltiger6487
Saying he can’t shoot insinuates he has trouble scoring the basketball
The mvp of the nba this year can’t shoot either , Greek freak. So what? No one ever knocks him for not being able to shoot
The mvp of the nba this year can’t shoot either , Greek freak. So what? No one ever knocks him for not being able to shoot
Posted on 2/1/19 at 12:57 pm to lsufball19
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he chose to play at LSU only because his godfather was on the coaching staff at the time. No other reason. And Ben left campus as soon as he could.
quote:meaning he doesn't give a damn about LSU. Too many posters on this board think Ben loves LSU and we should be fortunate he "chose" us. He didn't choose us -- he chose his godfather, and we just happened to be where he was at the time.
and?
Posted on 2/1/19 at 12:59 pm to atltiger6487
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then he got extreme value from playing in college for a year.
And LSU got extreme value (and still does) from his one year in college.
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Doesn't fit his narrative, though.
What narrative is that?
Posted on 2/1/19 at 1:00 pm to Lester Earl
quote:for a guy who's the primary ball handler to not be able to shoot at all is a pretty big hole in his game.
Saying he can’t shoot insinuates he has trouble scoring the basketball
The mvp of the nba this year can’t shoot either , Greek freak. So what? No one ever knocks him for not being able to shoot
When he's forced to take a jumper, he can't do it, and bails (e.g., Marquette and Oklahoma).
That's a major flaw in his game, no matter how much other stuff he does well.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 1:01 pm to TigerLunatik
quote:jesus man, are you dense? His narrative is that college was a waste of time for him.
What narrative is that?
Posted on 2/1/19 at 1:01 pm to atltiger6487
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Ben scores because the NBA rules prohibit zones or extreme sagging off of a player. So Ben can beat his man off the dribble and shoot layups. He also scores in transition. So he's good at that.
But he can't shoot a lick. Hasn't made a single 3-pointer in his NBA career.
If you'd look at his shot chart (data is from a month ago) he's 211-343 in the paint. Only 5-26 outside the paint.
He literally takes 93% of his shots in the paint.
so he maximizes his production based off his strengths and that production puts him in elite company in the NBA.
Marc Gasol made 12 three point shots on 66 total attempts (18%) in his first 8 NBA seasons (he was 0/2 in his first two seasons). In his last three NBA seasons, he's shot 288/801 from three (36%).
Sure, Simmons may have a long way to go, and I do acknowledge he is not the same type of player as Gasol, but to take his 3 pt production to somehow say he isn't that good is silly. Or to nearly insinuate he won't ever develop a jump shot is equally silly.
This post was edited on 2/1/19 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 2/1/19 at 1:05 pm to atltiger6487
You’re over blowing it. The guy can score at will. He doesn’t need a jumper.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 1:05 pm to atltiger6487
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meaning he doesn't give a damn about LSU.
why do you think him leaving after 1 year means he doesn't give a damn about LSU?
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He didn't choose us -- he chose his godfather, and we just happened to be where he was at the time.
every player who commits to a school chose them for one reason or another. I don't see how that means he doesn't care either.
My inclination tells me LSU fans just don't know how to compartmentalize their feelings of a 1-and-done player because we never have them. Add to it Johnny Jones was a terrible coach and had no idea how to manage that team, and people want Simmons to shoulder the blame for us not being better. It's ridiculous.
This post was edited on 2/1/19 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 2/1/19 at 1:05 pm to lsufball19
quote:if Ben Simmons ever shoots 36% (hell, even 30% or even 25%) on 3 pointers, I'll eat my shorts.
Marc Gasol made 12 three point shots on 66 total attempts (18%) in his first 8 NBA seasons (he was 0/2 in his first two seasons). In his last three NBA seasons, he's shot 288/801 from three (36%).
Sure, Simmons may have a long way to go, and I do acknowledge he is not the same type of player as Gasol, but to take his 3 pt production to somehow say he isn't that good is silly.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 1:06 pm to Lester Earl
quote:Marquette and Oklahoma say hi.
You’re over blowing it. The guy can score at will. He doesn’t need a jumper.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 1:06 pm to atltiger6487
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jesus man, are you dense?
Not at all, but thanks for your concern.
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His narrative is that college was a waste of time for him.
That's a good point. Thanks for clarifying. I would like to hear is thoughts on that. I believe he said that it was a waste of time because he would have learned more in the NBA that year if he had been eligible to play.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 1:10 pm to atltiger6487
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if Ben Simmons ever shoots 36% (hell, even 30% or even 25%) on 3 pointers, I'll eat my shorts.
I'm a Grizzlies fan. I watched Marc Gasol play 12 feet and in for 8 years and then all the sudden he was shooting nearly 40% from three a few years ago and I wondered what the frick was going on the previous 8. I also watched him in high school (he played in our league in Memphis) and he was fat, slow, and uncoordinated. He just wasn't very good at that age. He was just 7 ft tall and obviously had a very talented older brother. People need to remember Simmons is still young. He has plenty of time to develop as a player. His jump shot isn't so fundamentally ugly that you'd never expect him to be able to figure it out.
This post was edited on 2/1/19 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 2/1/19 at 1:21 pm to lsufball19
quote:I'll give you $100 if Simmons ever shoots 25% on 3-pointers in a season (assuming he has at least 30 attempts).
I'm a Grizzlies fan. I watched Marc Gasol play 12 feet and in for 8 years and then all the sudden he was shooting nearly 40% from three a few years ago and I wondered what the frick was going on the previous 8. I also watched him in high school (he played in our league in Memphis) and he was fat, slow, and uncoordinated. He just wasn't very good at that age. He was just 7 ft tall and obviously had a very talented older brother. People need to remember Simmons is still young. He has plenty of time to develop as a player. His jump shot isn't so fundamentally ugly that you'd never expect him to be able to figure it out.
Of course players can improve - I know that. But Simmons has been a prodigy for many years now. And he has a former pro basketball player for a father. I assume Ben's been working on his shot (and I mean seriously working) for many, many years now.
Hell, in his rookie NBA year, with his broken foot, he had nothing to do but practice his shot. I bet he took tens of thousands of shots. Not a lick of improvement to be seen.
He's shooting 58.5% from the FT line. Has yet to make a single 3-pointer.
By the way, Marc Gasol shot 73% from the FT line as a rookie. Clearly, he had a nice stoke to start with. He improved a bit, and now shoots 78% from the FT line for his career.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 1:30 pm to atltiger6487
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I'll give you $100 if Simmons ever shoots 25% on 3-pointers in a season (assuming he has at least 30 attempts).
That's a pretty low bar. I'm not betting a stranger on the internet, but it wouldn't shock me for him to be able to do that eventually
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By the way, Marc Gasol shot 73% from the FT line as a rookie. Clearly, he had a nice stoke to start with. He improved a bit, and now shoots 78% from the FT line for his career.
Gasol also spent 5 years playing ball professionally in Europe before he got to the NBA. When he was Simmons' age, he shot 54% from the FT line and didn't make a single three point shot until his 3rd year in Europe. He made one three point shot his third year. He was 1/6 through three years in Europe from three and shot 58% from the FT line (sound familiar?). Remember when I said Gasol wasn't very good when he was young?
This post was edited on 2/1/19 at 1:31 pm
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