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re: LSU football - the official "I admit I was wrong" thread
Posted on 1/21/12 at 1:24 pm to Powerman
Posted on 1/21/12 at 1:24 pm to Powerman
quote:But JJ didn't make those hits, or the ones he tried weren't caught, or they didn't go anywhere. I guess it depends on what your definition of "coaching" is. Mine includes no substitutions or adjustments when players/plays aren't working out. So the fact that JJ was having a bad game but was left in regardless to sink or swim falls under my "coaching" definition.
It really looked like it was execution as much as coaching.
JJ hits a couple of open guys in the passing game early on and it's a different game
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Posted on 1/21/12 at 1:25 pm to JawjaTigah
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I guess it depends on what your definition of "coaching" is. Mine includes no substitutions or adjustments when players/plays aren't working out. So the fact that JJ was having a bad game but was left in regardless to sink or swim falls under my "coaching" definition.
I agree
I just think that the idea that it was all play calling is absurd
The 4th quarter play calling was awful though
Posted on 1/21/12 at 1:27 pm to stapuffmarshy
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I was wrong to think LSU fans could handle the failures that come with the successes
For whose benefit? Because that knife cuts both ways.
Posted on 1/21/12 at 1:35 pm to JawjaTigah
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So the fact that JJ was having a bad game but was left in regardless to sink or swim falls under my "coaching" definition.
It's not just about whether JJ was having a good game or not. It's the whole "JJ offense" that was so ridiculous. There's just no reason to ever take a functional offensive system and then effectively junk it in favor of some rinky-dink bullshite just to cater to the whims of a single player. I'll never understand it.
The only case I can think of where doing something like this actually worked was with Oklahoma in 1985, but the key point here is that they only changed it because Troy Aikman broke his ankle in an October loss to Miami. Also, it was a different era back then. You can't get away with running that kind of offense today.
Posted on 1/21/12 at 1:36 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
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It's impossible to predict the guy, and it droves people crazy.
Not really.
Miles, going into year #8, has given LSU the most successful football program in our history.
Currently, LSU ranks #1 in wins among BCS schools and #1 in wins in the SEC since 2005. We have more west titles since 05 and as many SEC titles than any other SEC school all done when the SEC owns college football.
We got stuffed in a BCSCG. I don't like it, but I'm able to see how elite our progam has been for much of the last 7 seasons.
When your program since 2005 has finished #1, #2, #3, #5, #8, and #17, as fans we really don't have much to "shite" in our pants bout but some of us just can't help messing in our pants over something or the other.
I was wrong bout the LSU rushing game never being held to less than 40 yds this year.
Posted on 1/21/12 at 2:02 pm to geauxjo
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I was right in believing that many would turn this into an all-out Miles bashing thread. I was wrong in reading it anyway. I feel much less intelligent for having done so.
Posted on 1/21/12 at 2:05 pm to Doc Fenton
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just to cater to the whims of a single player.
more like the whims (or decisions) of a coach/ coaches. I doubt the coaches were just doing what Jordan wanted. hell I even doubt that Jordan wanted to run some of the option stuff they use him for.
Posted on 1/21/12 at 2:08 pm to ATLTiger
Okay. Poorly worded on my part. But I really do believe that Les Miles sold himself on the JJ offense for the very reason that he thought he was fighting some kind of crusade for social justice against the LSU fanbase with JJ as his centerpiece. I don't know that any other theory makes sense.
Posted on 1/21/12 at 2:13 pm to siliconvalleytiger
I was wrong with Jefferson. Thought this was the year he would make it all come together. For 4 years he toyed with us.
Posted on 1/21/12 at 2:21 pm to Akit1
There is a whole bunch of people wrong about JJ that aren't admitting it.
Also, lots of people that thought Krags would be the reason behind it....also wrong.
Another thing I was wrong about was never ever seeing a LSU coach quit in the title game, or any game. Miles did what I thought was the impossible.
Also, lots of people that thought Krags would be the reason behind it....also wrong.
Another thing I was wrong about was never ever seeing a LSU coach quit in the title game, or any game. Miles did what I thought was the impossible.
Posted on 1/21/12 at 2:30 pm to siliconvalleytiger
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I now think Matt Flynn would have been the better QB to invest in.
Disagree. JR was way better. What did JR do that causes LSU a championship exactly? He didn't lose two game to vastly inferior teams like MF. (Assuming your giving all the credit to the QB).
Posted on 1/21/12 at 2:58 pm to siliconvalleytiger
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I was wrong about the JR vs Flynn thing. I now think Matt Flynn would have been the better QB to invest in.
yeah but....was there even a "JR vs Flynn" thing? they both, obviously, had great talent....but JR could make throws effortlessly that Matt would have struggled with. the next level proves little to me about what those kids were doing in TS. frankly, I think we were blessed to have the freakish talent of Jamarcus being backed up by a cerebral, yet very talented, kid like Matt.
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I also thought Miles would never beat Florida and Bama in the same season after the 2009 season. I was clearly wrong about that. He did it 2 yrs in a row.
I've rarely doubted Miles (maybe because my brain works like his
) but I feel he was one year too late in canning Crowton who I thought was a great hire. Posted on 1/21/12 at 3:27 pm to siliconvalleytiger
I was on the verge of thinking that Miles was on a different plain than all of us, and that he was a genius that we just could not understand. So, I was wrong about that. He is just a GREAT recruiter of players and coaches. Period.
Posted on 1/21/12 at 4:03 pm to siliconvalleytiger
I was wrong thinking CLM was objective about his QB's I knew he preferred JJ but never thought I would see him make the decision he did on Jan9, I thought he was more objective
I was wrong about all the ranters that kept saying he would play JJ every play and JL would never see the field
Yes I was wrong
I was wrong about all the ranters that kept saying he would play JJ every play and JL would never see the field
Yes I was wrong
Posted on 1/21/12 at 4:17 pm to ultratiger89
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I was wrong thinking many of "LSU fans" on the rant could ever think rationally, and that they could see what I saw in that we have a great program and a great coach, and sometimes things just don't go your way, but I was wrong, there are still many who don't think this way and are miserable in their own skin.
People like you just dont get it I guess. Yes, we have a great program and YES we think rationally. We want our coach to be prepared or at least slightly prepared for the most important game in the program's history, and we were not IN THE LEAST, even with over a month to prepare. Having a game plan that included only 6 plays with the option included as a majority of the plays called was just down right as ill prepared of a game plan that I have ever seen. Reason being is because, yes, Bama was not prepared for it the first game because Lee was the starter and JJ came in after and was successful running the option. THinking that the 2nd time we played that Bama would not be prepared for the option was completely the most ill-prepared game plan that I have ever witnessed, and not being prepared to put in a much better passing QB to possibly change momentum or give us a spark, adds to this ill-preparedness.
Posted on 1/21/12 at 4:20 pm to DP40
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Another thing I was wrong about was never ever seeing a LSU coach quit in the title game, or any game
This "quit" thing is becoming a mantra with you isn't it? It seems that you work it into practically every post.
Actually the opposite is true. Miles didn't quit. He stuck to his game plan. Too long arguably, but he didn't quit on what he thought would win the game. Miles fault was not that he quit but that he didn't quit on his plan. He had faith in the staff that drew up the plan and on his players that had been taught to execute it. Staying with the plan turned the Arkansas and Georgia games around.
It turned out to be a mistake in the NC game.
Now I understand that back in the prep room where you are flouring all those chickin parts, saying that Miles quit likely makes you a big deal, but the truth is that you have no idea what you are talking about.
Posted on 1/21/12 at 4:40 pm to Uncommon Cents
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Miles didn't quit.
You say with 3:50 left on the clock, with the ball at our 38 yard line, down 21-0, and PUNTING the ball instead of not going for it; not quitting? Why would you punt the ball here? Yes, that was quitting.
Not to mention EVEN TRYING Lee or even Mett.
This post was edited on 1/21/12 at 4:46 pm
Posted on 1/21/12 at 4:44 pm to Uncommon Cents
Call it what you will, but running Copeland on 3rd and 3 and then punting with less than 4 minutes to go (and down by 2 scores) was effectively "quitting". Not even giving JL a shot to make something happen on that series was, as you say, sticking to his game plan too long.
ETA ... beat me to it RighteousTiger.
ETA ... beat me to it RighteousTiger.
This post was edited on 1/21/12 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 1/21/12 at 4:44 pm to 1984Tiger
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I was 100% right when I said Miles would find a way to reinsert JJ as the starter and that JJ would not lose his job as the starter no matter how bad he played
This. And, I said that decision would end up costing us at some point. Only TM7 and the defense kept that from biting us in the UGA game, and they couldn't save us from $horty.
Posted on 1/21/12 at 4:46 pm to Icansee4miles
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Only TM7 and the defense kept that from biting us in the UGA game
definitely this
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