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re: LSU fans, fill me in on Desean Smith

Posted on 5/18/17 at 7:27 pm to
Posted by GoldenBoy
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Posted on 5/18/17 at 7:27 pm to
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You're right, man, but if you asked me who would be the better TE after their college career I would have said Smith. OJ Howard like Amari Cooper got developed at Alabama all 4 seasons they were there. Each season they improved little by little until they were both complete receivers in their senior seasons and unstoppable. I wish Miles had at least used his receivers like that, but he didn't and their incomplete developments speaks for itself. They had virtually no vertical passing game, and the passing game at LSU was so porous that these guys go into the NFL (Malachi Dupre, Travin Dural, Smith, Colin Jeter) with undeveloped pass catching skills that will have to get developed in the NFL if they make it, and that's not fair to them. You short change Smith's skills because he was an excellent pass catching TE coming out of HS, ahead of Cooper, and if he had the ball thrown to him regularly each season like Cooper did. He would be a complete receiving TE coming out of LSU lacking in only his blocking which could be tightened up in the pros. He runs excellent routes and has soft hands, his speed is better than that 4.9 he showed as he has a calf injury he's trying to heal from. He may not run a 4.4 or 4.5 whatever Cooper ran, but he should be faster than 4.9.


You realize Amari Cooper came into Alabama a stud? In fact, he was so much of a stud that he left early. Funny that works, isn't it?

Posted by alumni95
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Posted on 5/18/17 at 7:27 pm to
That is besides our point. You haven't seen me argue either way about his NFL ability.

But maybe YOU are right... EVERYONE else in this thread is misinformed but YOU.

Self-absorption will get you everywhere you want to go in this life.
Posted by wildtigercat93
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Posted on 5/18/17 at 7:29 pm to
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Look again. There are posters comparing him OJ Howard and Evan Engram.


I went back and looked and noone compared him to those two

the only mention of Engram is when a poster says "i am NOT comparing him to Evan engram or anything athletically"

and all the OJ howard comments were saying he is NOT as good as howard.


Posted by GoldenBoy
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Posted on 5/18/17 at 7:35 pm to
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But maybe YOU are right... EVERYONE else in this thread is misinformed but YOU.

Self-absorption will get you everywhere you want to go in this life.


This is all true. I'm not self absorbed, but I know when I'm right.
Posted by lob1284
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Posted on 5/18/17 at 8:24 pm to
I'll probably get down voted but I'm more in agreement with Goldenboy than with anything else I've read in this thread. I was excited about Smith coming out of HS like everyone else was, but what are we basing some of these comments on besides how good he was in HS?

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Huge potential, great receiving skills,Very athletic.


Huh? I'll give you he's a skilled receiver. But where is this huge potential? When did he show he was very athletic at LSU? I saw him score once his entire career on a play he wasn't covered. Hell he barely even played. His athletic testing for the draft was way below average. How is he very athletic?

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He's more of a jumbo WR, although he didn't test out great athletically.


OK so name me a jumbo WR as slow as him with his college productivity that had an NFL career...

I saw about a dozen comments on the first page blaming his career on Les... But if we are purely blaming his career on Les' awful system, why couldn't he improve enough as a blocker to beat out a true freshman in Foster M and a guy no-one had really heard of in Jeter? Wasn't Smith in the program before those guys? You'd think if his receiving threat was that much better he would have gotten more reps over those guys, since we had basically OL playing that blocking TE role during the majority of his career (Gordon / Roddy). It's not like Jeter was a stud blocking TE... and he got way more reps.

I almost feel bad typing this because it feels like I'm shitting on the guy, but I'm just trying to reflect some reality here. I'd be shocked if he ever makes a 53. NFL teams typically keep 2, maybe 3 TEs on the active roster? How many TEs have been 3rd string in college and then were 2nd string in the NFL? I get that he can run routes and catch... but so can a bunch of other guys none of us have heard of, who are on average more athletic, better blockers (we have to assume), and can offer more value on special teams. a TE who only offers value as a receiver but isn't athletic enough to separate from NFL defenders is gonna have a pretty tough path. I still wish the guy luck.
Posted by dgnx6
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Posted on 5/18/17 at 8:26 pm to
You are going to get a lot of bs.

The real reason was, he was hurt a lot early on. He was beat out by a freshman and a jr college transfer.
This post was edited on 5/18/17 at 8:28 pm
Posted by dgnx6
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Posted on 5/18/17 at 8:32 pm to
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too would have loved to see Smith play in Canada's offense because he would have had the ball thrown to him a whole lot more than 10 to 12 times like someone posted earlier. lol That's ridiculous to be used that minimal.


He was hurt, and tes caught a pass in every single game in 2015, a season he missed the majority of. I haven't looked up last season because we had a diff coach, but the tes were thrown to plenty compared to how much they threw it. Harris just had a pention of getting dudes destroyed by throwing high.

O and ensminger decided not to throw to him. Go figure.
This post was edited on 5/18/17 at 8:34 pm
Posted by tubucoco
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Posted on 5/18/17 at 10:00 pm to
Amari Cooper stood all 4 years at Alabama, retard, but don't let that stop you. lol
Posted by tubucoco
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Posted on 5/18/17 at 10:15 pm to
I know most of you have never played any organized football in your lives, and so it's hard for you to understand. I'll make this simple, if you're coming out of HS and you have really good potential as a pass catching TE, and you can go and look at his hudl film to see the potential. Anyways, as a recruit you are gonna go to a college at the next level to further that development like any other football position. He chose LSU because I'm sure he thought he was doing just that and Miles and co. sold him on that, that he would be featured in an offense that passes the ball, only that didn't happen. He got caught up in a run dominating type of offense that is better off using TE's that block mostly and catch secondly.

So, you go and ask Miles why he lied to the kid because he certainly wasn't used the way I'm sure they promised him he would be. And I'm sure if you asked DeSean Smith would he go to LSU coming out of HS all over again, I'm sure the answer would be -No. The same thing was happening with Jacory Washington as of then, but hopefully this season he will finally get some PT. Miles shouldn't have never recruited these type of TE's because he certainly had no use for them with the 3 yards and a cloud of dust shite he ran at LSU. D Smith would have had a better career going to a Texas A&M or Ole Miss even Auburn.
This post was edited on 5/18/17 at 10:26 pm
Posted by GoldenBoy
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Posted on 5/18/17 at 10:22 pm to
Good night retard.
Posted by GoldenBoy
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Posted on 5/18/17 at 10:24 pm to
Amari Cooper went pro after three years, dumbass. I wish you were smarter.
Posted by tubucoco
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Posted on 5/18/17 at 10:30 pm to
And you're missing the point you stupid bitch, whether it was 3 or 4 years, he got developed at Bama. He grew each year because he was passed the ball more and more on a regular basis. No, he wasn't playing like that when he first arrived so tell that fricking lie to some arse that will buy it. Something he would never have gotten at LSU if he had come there. But your too damn stoopid to see this instead you wanna argue about how many years he was dumb.

And you're right, please go because I've wasted enough brain cells on you.
This post was edited on 5/18/17 at 10:33 pm
Posted by GoldenBoy
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Posted on 5/18/17 at 10:34 pm to
Dude Amari Cooper came into Alabama as a stud. Developed my arse...

Take your retardation elsewhere.
Posted by tubucoco
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Posted on 5/18/17 at 10:37 pm to
"Dude, Amari Cooper came to Bama a stud, I know cause he fricked me in my arse". Yeah, I'm sure you're right on that one! Dumb, bitch, go watch the highlights and see if he played like he did in his final season at Alabama. Man, you're stoopid! lol

And I thought you were gone?? GTFO
Posted by lob1284
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Posted on 5/18/17 at 10:39 pm to
Dude i can't figure out why in making this "development" argument you insist on comparing a TE at LSU to a wide receiver from Bama who lit it up from the day he stepped on their campus. I mean i could see the argument if you presented it correctly but you're picking the worst player example to make this comparison, not even similar career paths and different positions.

Also the Miles conspiracies are great but I watched enough of Jeter to see he wasn't exactly a stellar blocker, so can anyone tell me why he got so many more reps than Smith?
Posted by tubucoco
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Posted on 5/18/17 at 10:41 pm to
Don't start shite, man! Your boyfriend brought up Cooper.
Posted by Cap Crunch
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Posted on 5/18/17 at 10:41 pm to
You are the one trying to compare an All-Pro WR in the NFL to a TE who got limited playing time in college based on HS tape. Are you serious? You do know that most guys who get P5 scholarships looks like badasses in high school, right?
Posted by I20goon
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Posted on 5/18/17 at 10:42 pm to
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GoldenBoy
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Look again. There are posters comparing him OJ Howard and Evan Engram.'
What's so damn entertaining about this is that he himself brought OJ Howard into the conversation on page 1, then 4 pages later is saying other posters were making the comparison.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 5/18/17 at 10:43 pm to
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And you're missing the point you stupid bitch, whether it was 3 or 4 years, he got developed at Bama. He grew each year because he was


So Cooper got developed, but Landry and obj were nfl ready out of hs?

Stop with this develop bullshite. Desean Smith is the same fricking size, if not bigger, than Collin Jeter. 4, count em, 4 coaches decided to play Jeter over Smith.

Your whole argument is just bullshite.
This post was edited on 5/18/17 at 10:51 pm
Posted by tubucoco
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Posted on 5/18/17 at 10:45 pm to
You motherfrickers are retarded! This is how bullshite starts with you clowns saying shite that a person never said, but this is the rant.
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