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LSU-Baylor postgame column now on home page

Posted on 5/31/09 at 1:40 am
Posted by Carl Dubois
Pacific Northwest
Member since Apr 2009
326 posts
Posted on 5/31/09 at 1:40 am
You can also read it at The Carl Dubois Blog.

Mike, are you still awake? Why do I think the answer is yes?

Anyway, enjoy the rest of the regional, everyone.
Posted by lsurulz1515
Member since Mar 2007
7999 posts
Posted on 5/31/09 at 1:50 am to
thanks, as always Carl
Posted by L S Usetheforce
Member since Jun 2004
23241 posts
Posted on 5/31/09 at 1:51 am to
Carl, you are taking the rantards waayyyyyyyyyy to seriously on here.........good article but no one with a brain is underestimating NOLA.
Posted by Carl Dubois
Pacific Northwest
Member since Apr 2009
326 posts
Posted on 5/31/09 at 2:08 am to
I hear you. It's just an observation based on what I hear from players and coaches, who I think take it more seriously than I do. They are not regulars here, and therefore less equipped to discern relative brainpower.

The overriding point, in my opinion, is overlooked when comparing players of different generations. The talk is usually about whether a guy today would be as effective against the revved-up bats of the mid to late '90s and things like that. I think intangibles have changed a lot too.
Posted by Tigerinasia
Natchitoches
Member since Jan 2008
2009 posts
Posted on 5/31/09 at 2:12 am to
Hey Carl, you're up pretty late for an old guy.
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
68562 posts
Posted on 5/31/09 at 2:13 am to
Another great job Carl. Thanks bud.
Posted by Carl Dubois
Pacific Northwest
Member since Apr 2009
326 posts
Posted on 5/31/09 at 2:17 am to
The secret: naps.
Posted by L S Usetheforce
Member since Jun 2004
23241 posts
Posted on 5/31/09 at 2:22 am to
quote:

It's just an observation based on what I hear from players and coaches, who I think take it more seriously than I do. They are not regulars here, and therefore less equipped to discern relative brainpower.


Well, I'm kinda dissappointed then in Coach Maneiri and our players if they are taking the opinions of this messageboard seriously.

I mean I'm almost 27 years old, grew up in the age of the internet, and I'd have to say that as a competitor the only opinions that matter are the ones from your coaches and your teammates.....

Don't get me wrong, I see what your getting at in your article.......

In fact, maybe Tigerdroppings rantards are responsible for Nola's clutch performances in the postseason thus far........

Keep up the good work my man.

This post was edited on 5/31/09 at 2:33 am
Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
Member since Feb 2004
53696 posts
Posted on 5/31/09 at 3:54 am to
It's great to read intelligent writing and good wit on the Rant again. It's been lacking. Thanks for all you do, Carl.
Posted by themunch
bottom of the list
Member since Jan 2007
71326 posts
Posted on 5/31/09 at 6:35 am to
Thanks for calling out the rantards Carl, but trust me when I tell you, they will always be rantards.

Posted by Tigerwaffe
Orlando
Member since Sep 2007
4975 posts
Posted on 5/31/09 at 6:45 am to
quote:

Well, I'm kinda dissappointed then in Coach Maneiri and our players if they are taking the opinions of this messageboard seriously.


Just how seriously the coach and players take the opinions here is debatable. But to me, the key point is that no human being, especially a teenage athlete, reacts indifferently to "opinions" along the lines of "so-and-so is a piece of shite, I hope he breaks his leg so someone else can play." Tell me a string of those garbage messages wouldn't get your hackles up if they were directed at you.

Obviously, it's lost on some people (of dubious intelligence to begin with) that we're talking about teenage amateur athletes here. It's not that they need to be babied if they're not performing well, but neither should the "I hope he gets injured" messages be condoned.

If someone isn't cutting it on the field, isn't it enough to just say "it's time to try someone else at (position)?" By all means, give some intelligent analysis to back your point—but leave the witless sarcasms, the immature rage and the injury wishes out of it.

I'm not directing this at you specifically, and I'm not accusing you of being one of these moronic posters. I'm just making a general point to anyone who engages in this type of behavior: these messages say a lot more about the messengers than they do about the players.


Posted by DP40
Swamps and creeks
Member since Nov 2008
9907 posts
Posted on 5/31/09 at 7:00 am to
quote:

Warren Morris never had to read a message board questioning whether he was a liability while batting as low as the nine-hole in the postseason for LSU.


WM wouldn't have been there hadn't he had a major injury. Apples and Oranges. Bad comparison and irrelevant.

quote:

Some of the most spirited debates about college baseball are whether teams in the 2000s could stay on the field with teams from 15, 20 and 25 years ago. Texas coach Augie Garrido said yes, that today's teams are better, are filled with players who have been coached better for more of their playing careers, and that's why the champions of today would beat the champions of yesterday.


So baseball has become sooooo advanced since 2000? This is a joke. Maybe, MAYBE since the mid-90's, but to say the champions in the 90's couldn't beat any champion of this decade is pure hyperbole. Weak. I know how hard LSU baseball worked and how well they were coached in the mid-90's. I saw how hard they worked. No team on LSU's campus worked harder than the baseball team. I saw it w/ my own eyes. Baseball then T&F were the hardest working teams by far in the mid-90's!

quote:

Almost without exception, the players who built LSU to Program of the Decade status in the late 1980s and into the 1990s didn't ask themselves the questions that must creep into players' minds today when they're signing autographs.


So today's players are mentally weaker than the players of the 80's and 90's yet they can beat any of those teams? OK.
Posted by Ice Cold
Over Macho Grande
Member since Jun 2004
18872 posts
Posted on 5/31/09 at 7:07 am to
quote:

So today's players are mentally weaker than the players of the 80's and 90's yet they can beat any of those teams? OK.
That's not what he said.

College baseball was a mere curiosity in Baton Rouge until Skip's arrival. Even nationally, notwithstanding Texas/USC's collective history.

Plus, you didn't have message boards, wall-to-wall coverage, and nearly as many fans interested in what a freshman SS was doing with the bat.

His point makes sense to me.
Posted by DP40
Swamps and creeks
Member since Nov 2008
9907 posts
Posted on 5/31/09 at 7:17 am to
I'll say again:

quote:

the players who built LSU to Program of the Decade status in the late 1980s and into the 1990s didn't ask themselves the questions that must creep into players' minds today when they're signing autographs.


"MUST"? OK, so today's players are wondering every time they are signing a autograph if this is the guy who criticized me on a message board? I don't buy today's players are that big of mental midgets. Sorry, I don't. I also don't think these guys have a whole lot of time, maybe not desire either, to read the rant.
Posted by Good Times
Hill top in Tn
Member since Nov 2007
24468 posts
Posted on 5/31/09 at 7:23 am to
quote:

Thanks for calling out the rantards Carl, but trust me when I tell you, they will always be rantards.



You can lead a ranter to enlightened information, but you can't make him think.



Nice article Carl.
Posted by SureMissMyTigahs
FT LAUDERDALE FL
Member since Feb 2006
908 posts
Posted on 5/31/09 at 7:53 am to
Good Times, you are right on the money. Carl excellent article as usual. Austin Nola will be a LSU great. The rantards will be telling their grandchildren they saw him play in college! :geauxtigers: :geauxtigers: :geauxtigers: :geauxtigers:
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133552 posts
Posted on 5/31/09 at 8:21 am to
This is one of your best columns ever, Carl. I hope some people on this board will realize how they hurt these kids who are working their butts off to please them. Like Coach Mainieri said, they can't be perfect.

Thanks, Carl.
Posted by panda
Member since Oct 2007
733 posts
Posted on 5/31/09 at 8:35 am to
Carl, thanks for the great article. You are, as I have always said, the best sports writer I've read and sorely missed on the Advocate's sports pages. What fools...but that's another story.

I know I will get killed for saying this but here it is: I started checking on this site years before I joined hoping to get an occasional insight on some aspect of the games and frankly, to learn about nuances from people who know alot more about the games than I do. I love it all but am nuts for baseball, thus my devotion particularly to Carl's writing.

This board has deteriorated to the point of being almost unbearable and - here's a shout-out to Chicken - you're losing us, man. Trash talk about Lee last fall, and now Nola, just is not helpful. In Nola's case particularly, it shows how little these 'tards know about baseball generally and about the contributions he (and others) have made particularly. Become a student of the game and show a little humility.

So here's the disclamer: yes, I am somebody's mama (not Nola's and not any current Tiger's mama) and while these boys may not take YOU seriously or this board seriously, they take the game very seriously. They work their tails off from the time they are about 8 or 10 years old just to get the chance to walk onto a baseball field in high school - the quality of play is that good around here. They then work their tails off to stay on the teams they have to try out for every year. Parents make enormous sacrifices to give them the chance and in the case of somebody like Big Baby, somebody else steps in and sees to it that they get to practice and have the equipment they need. Do you not think that every mistake these kids make is burned into their brains? Did you ever just sit quietly by a kid when he comes home after he blows a play - when he can't do anything but grieve? No, you are too busy running to the rant to call him a piece of shite, Big man. What could you say to someone like Hanover who is struggling right now - to make him feel worse? Can you show just a little tiny bit of respect for the game, the commitment, and the struggle? Critique away - by all means, but leave the personal ad hominem attacks off.

There you go boys. Swing away. But I've needed to say that for a long time. Good luck tonight boys, I'll be there for you win or lose, just like always.
Posted by CaseyMc2
Louisiana Native
Member since Feb 2009
4092 posts
Posted on 5/31/09 at 8:58 am to
A great articale Carl, The players today not only have to be the best on their team at what they do in order to play they also have to be thick skinned. I played back in the sixties and seventies and did not have to read anything like what is being said today about these players. They do not desreve it at all, I know first hand at what it takes to be go home and not sleep because of a play I did not make that I should have. It hurts because you let your team down that believes in you. The players that have earned the right to play have also eaned the respect from their team mates and because of that respect is what causes the hurt that that player feels when they let them down by not making a play that they know they should have. They do not need some ranter saying they hope he gets hurt in order for them be removed from the line-up. That is why I think this is a great article that needed to be written. Thanks Carl and
Posted by panda
Member since Oct 2007
733 posts
Posted on 5/31/09 at 9:26 am to
Here's a little something, apropos of this thread, from CNN (used totally w/o permission so I'll probably get hauled off to Gitmo):

[Greene tells the story of an elderly lady remembering the patience of a local grocer each morning when sheand a friend came in his store and took forever to decide how to spend 5 cents. Then he comments:]

"Yet back then someone was gracious toward them --someone didn't rush them as they debated how to spend that precious nickel each Michigan morning. And now, in 2009, she sounded still thankful at the memory of it.

There's a lesson in that. In our current era, when offhanded cruelty at times seems to be the coin of the cultural realm, it may be worth giving a little thought to the idea that the small moments of people treating us with decency and empathy can last for a very long time -- that the echoes of kindness can be as loud as the echoes of callousness."

Read the rest of the essay on CNN.com



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