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LSU Basketball Constructive Criticism
Posted on 1/20/22 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 1/20/22 at 1:08 pm
I wanted to start a thread about LSU basketball that did not have to do with the refs. Yes the officiating is laughable and has fricked us over many many times during conference play but we can't control that so lets look at what we can control.
While I am focusing on the areas of improvement, I don't want anyone to think this thread is about bashing. Its not, its about areas where growth is needed.
I will use the stats vs Bama because I think they point to the ongoing problems.
1) 19 offensive rebounds - I have no idea how many 2nd chance points Bama got off of these rebounds but I'd bet its more than 3. If we box out and rebound, we win that game as well as the Arky game. This team isn't incapable of rebounding either, they showed vs Kentucky that they can bang with the big boys and hold their own. They just haven't done it on a nightly basis.
2) 60% from the FT line - This team is not skilled on the offensive end which means they NEED to make FTs. If we shoot 80% from the FT line, we get 3 more points and the game is headed to OT. We also win the Arky game if we made FTs.
3) 21 TOs - Yes, One or two of these can be blamed on questionable calls but even if you remove those we still have an astronomically large number of TOs. We shot 43% from the floor vs Bama and still only scored 67 points because we have so many possessions that don't get a shot off.
IMO, if we improve in just one or two of these categories, this team is an elite 8/Final 4 caliber squad.
If we continue to struggle in these areas, we will look like we have over the first 6 games of conference play meaning we will compete like hell and just hope that Lady luck grants us favor in the last few minutes.
I still really like this team. I love their mental fortitude. They don't quit. They seem to genuinely like each other. We need to get healthy and sure up these 3 glaring weaknesses to get as far as I believe this team is capable of going.
While I am focusing on the areas of improvement, I don't want anyone to think this thread is about bashing. Its not, its about areas where growth is needed.
I will use the stats vs Bama because I think they point to the ongoing problems.
1) 19 offensive rebounds - I have no idea how many 2nd chance points Bama got off of these rebounds but I'd bet its more than 3. If we box out and rebound, we win that game as well as the Arky game. This team isn't incapable of rebounding either, they showed vs Kentucky that they can bang with the big boys and hold their own. They just haven't done it on a nightly basis.
2) 60% from the FT line - This team is not skilled on the offensive end which means they NEED to make FTs. If we shoot 80% from the FT line, we get 3 more points and the game is headed to OT. We also win the Arky game if we made FTs.
3) 21 TOs - Yes, One or two of these can be blamed on questionable calls but even if you remove those we still have an astronomically large number of TOs. We shot 43% from the floor vs Bama and still only scored 67 points because we have so many possessions that don't get a shot off.
IMO, if we improve in just one or two of these categories, this team is an elite 8/Final 4 caliber squad.
If we continue to struggle in these areas, we will look like we have over the first 6 games of conference play meaning we will compete like hell and just hope that Lady luck grants us favor in the last few minutes.
I still really like this team. I love their mental fortitude. They don't quit. They seem to genuinely like each other. We need to get healthy and sure up these 3 glaring weaknesses to get as far as I believe this team is capable of going.
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Posted on 1/20/22 at 1:10 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
tl;dr
Posted on 1/20/22 at 1:12 pm to Champs
OK Chumps here are the cliffs:
1) We need to rebound.
2) We need to make FTs.
3) We need to stop shooting ourselves in the foot with TOs.
1) We need to rebound.
2) We need to make FTs.
3) We need to stop shooting ourselves in the foot with TOs.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 1:13 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
Turn overs
Free throws
Ball sticks and too little off ball screening
My main 3 offensive comments
Free throws
Ball sticks and too little off ball screening
My main 3 offensive comments
Posted on 1/20/22 at 1:16 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
This has an EXTREMELY LOW Basketball IQ. Terrible shot selection, ball handling, and basic fundamentals. Plain and simple they are good enough defensively to beat anyone and bad enough offensively to lose to anyone!
Posted on 1/20/22 at 1:17 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
quote:
1) We need to rebound.
2) We need to make FTs.
3) We need to stop shooting ourselves in the foot with TOs.
So does every college basketball team in order to win games. Riveting insight.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 1:18 pm to Champs
Unforced turnovers. (Traveling, standing out of bounds with the ba. , etc)
Unforced fouls away from the basket.
Missed free throws.
They stress to pound the paint when we have no idenity there.
Playing tight in the half court offense.
Unforced fouls away from the basket.
Missed free throws.
They stress to pound the paint when we have no idenity there.
Playing tight in the half court offense.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 1:18 pm to jimbeam
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Ball sticks and too little off ball screening
IDK if you are a basketball guy per se jim but I have been wondering if this team would benefit from a motion offense?
I know its not the same but the HS I went to ran a motion offense to make up for their lack of size and average athleticism. I realize these aren't LSU's issues but it does take away the need to beat guys one on one.
The offense is based more on getting the defense out of position and finding cutters or open shooters than beating your man one on one. The ball almost never sticks as it is constantly being passed around to prod at the defense and make them work. The big negative that I can see is that it makes it difficult to get shots for a particular player because the ball never sticks.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 1:20 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
- Weak on both ends of the glass
- Too many dumb fouls especially when they are already beat
- No pure shooters
- Free throw shooting
- Offensive scheme or lack there of
- Reid is a year away
- Too many dumb fouls especially when they are already beat
- No pure shooters
- Free throw shooting
- Offensive scheme or lack there of
- Reid is a year away
Posted on 1/20/22 at 1:20 pm to ArcticTiger
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Terrible shot selection,
I disagree with this take. Yes they did have bad shot selection vs Auburn but I'd say they have taken good shots in every other conference game. I'd be willing to bet that we are shooting over 40% from the floor and around 35% from 3 in conference play.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 1:24 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
I think there is something to watch again and that is the last 6 minutes of the game last night. We seemed to play loose because we had no choice of coarse but they need to do this as it will stretch the defense and make room for the bigs inside and cutters to the rim.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 1:26 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
pretty much any time we have possession I'm waiting for a turnover or a missed 3
Posted on 1/20/22 at 1:26 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
We don't finish shots well on the offensive end, Murray had a few last night that he did everything right but finish.
I know there is contact but you have to fight through it. Also guys like Mwani,fudge and justice (allhave done well in their roles this year) but they have got to help on the offensive end without Pinson and maybe Days going forward.
Mwani needs to take some more shots when he is open and slash to the goal more.
Fudge Needs to play like he did against arky, sure its going to look like shite and he will Turn it over but damn man someone other than Gaines has to try and do something.
Justice needs to take some more threes, he really isn't ready to see the court right now but he has a decent looking jumper and shouldn't be afraid to take one or two off the bounce.
I know there is contact but you have to fight through it. Also guys like Mwani,fudge and justice (allhave done well in their roles this year) but they have got to help on the offensive end without Pinson and maybe Days going forward.
Mwani needs to take some more shots when he is open and slash to the goal more.
Fudge Needs to play like he did against arky, sure its going to look like shite and he will Turn it over but damn man someone other than Gaines has to try and do something.
Justice needs to take some more threes, he really isn't ready to see the court right now but he has a decent looking jumper and shouldn't be afraid to take one or two off the bounce.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 1:27 pm to ArcticTiger
quote:
Terrible shot selection, ball handling, and basic fundamentals.
Shot selection has gotten wayyyyy better. We take maybe 2-3 bad shots a game these days, by my estimation. Every team is going to take some bad shots now and again. By hall handling I assume you're referring to turnovers. I agree that turnovers are a big issue, in fact the biggest issue facing our offense IMHO (minus injuries). Not sure what you mean by "basic fundamentals".
Posted on 1/20/22 at 1:28 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
They would more so than past Wade teams that have true offensive threats who can do things themselves (watford, Mays, waters, etc).
Posted on 1/20/22 at 1:28 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
Pinson playing 25 minutes automatically improves free throw shooting and turnovers.
Again, I love Gaines. Dude plays really hard and gives his all. He leaves it on the floor. But he makes too many mistakes. Without Pinson on the floor the bad by Gaines is now slightly over the good he provides.
Furthermore I wish Justice was further along. But I can't blame him. He is literally a high school senior playing high level college basket ball. The experience he gains this year will be very beneficial next season.
Again, I love Gaines. Dude plays really hard and gives his all. He leaves it on the floor. But he makes too many mistakes. Without Pinson on the floor the bad by Gaines is now slightly over the good he provides.
Furthermore I wish Justice was further along. But I can't blame him. He is literally a high school senior playing high level college basket ball. The experience he gains this year will be very beneficial next season.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 1:29 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
Nope. Beyond one game.
Team is tired. Two critical injuries. Having to play too many games close with few blow outs to rest key role players. Not a deep bench. It all catches up on the season.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 1:30 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
quote:
I know its not the same but the HS I went to ran a motion offense to make up for their lack of size and average athleticism. I realize these aren't LSU's issues but it does take away the need to beat guys one on one.
The offense is based more on getting the defense out of position and finding cutters or open shooters than beating your man one on one. The ball almost never sticks as it is constantly being passed around to prod at the defense and make them work. The big negative that I can see is that it makes it difficult to get shots for a particular player because the ball never sticks.
Probably too late in the season for this.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 1:31 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
quote:
IDK if you are a basketball guy per se jim but I have been wondering if this team would benefit from a motion offense?
I get the thought but here are the biggest issues with a motion offense at the D1 level
1. The shot clock, you only have 30 seconds and usually less because it takes 3-5 seconds to get into the front court. Motion offenses usually take time to get the defense out of position and you don’t have that with a shot clock
2. Really good/smart coaches and defenders. Motion offenses can become predictable and with the resources and scouting of college programs your offense can get figured out very easily and then you are in trouble.
3. Hyper talented players who you need to get the ball to, a motion offense makes it harder to force the ball to a great player, which as a basketball purest you may like, but the way the game is today sometimes you just need your best guys to take the shot.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 1:32 pm to GumboPot
quote:
Pinson playing 25 minutes automatically improves free throw shooting and turnovers.
Hope he comes back soon.
Not to hi jack my own thread but I was thinking, when is the last time Efton made a shot that wasn't a 3 or dunk?
He started off the season looking so smooth with his back to the basket and all of sudden he can't buy a bucket. I get that the skill level of the bigs he is facing has increased but he is still getting one or two decent looks per game and they always come up empty.
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