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re: LSU Basketball 2011 - 2012
Posted on 3/23/11 at 1:36 pm to Old Smokey
Posted on 3/23/11 at 1:36 pm to Old Smokey
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Hamilton shouldn't be subject to being an instant All-American, either. He wasn't in that league. Even if he's a great player, he will be coming off a year of not playing.
If Hamilton is a shitty player we will be improved in the paint. What did White do? Green improved a good bit, and Storm finally showed up after fighting injuries all year, but our big men can't catch, rebound, block out, or shoot. Don't get me started on EL.
This post was edited on 3/23/11 at 1:53 pm
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Posted on 3/23/11 at 1:40 pm to Old Smokey
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, O'Bryant will be one year out of high school. Unless he's monumentally gifted, he'll need some time to get up to speed.
Well, he's a five star player who is supposed to be good. I think Hamilton is supposed to be solid, not all-american. I think the plan is for in two years our starting line-up to be:
Stringer (Jr.) (or other PG)
Turner (Jr.)
R. Gathers (Fr.)
O'Bryant (So.)
Hamilton (Sr.)
Which would be a pretty good line up.
Posted on 3/23/11 at 1:56 pm to Suntiger
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PG is still the queston
Has there hardly ever been a time for LSU when the very same couldn't/shouldn't have been said?
Hell, the smallish Josh White would have been a nice addition to the LSU PG ranks the last 4 seasons for LSU. imo
Posted on 3/23/11 at 1:57 pm to Old Smokey
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No one wants Trent to succeed and the team to win more than I do. But, O'Bryant will be one year out of high school. Unless he's monumentally gifted, he'll need some time to get up to speed. Hamilton shouldn't be subject to being an instant All-American, either. He wasn't in that league. Even if he's a great player, he will be coming off a year of not playing. I hope that it all works.
Everyone on this board keeps saying that the way basketball is now kids can come in and compete immediately and dishing Trent for trying to develop a good core of players who will play four years
But when it comes to McDonalds All-American Obryant, he won't help because he is only a freshman...
which is it Rant?
Posted on 3/23/11 at 2:24 pm to Suntiger
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Stringer (Jr.) (or other PG)
Turner (Jr.)
R. Gathers (Fr.)
O'Bryant (So.)
Hamilton (Sr.)
Could be a Sweet 16 squad IMO
Posted on 3/23/11 at 3:25 pm to I-59 Tiger
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not sure if there are any starters left over from the '08-'09 team,but maybe there are.
Your credibility just left town buddy!
Posted on 3/23/11 at 4:27 pm to tadelatt
Well alot will depend on just how much some of the Freshmen improve with the added experience they gained this year.
Stringer should be better simply because now he knows what it takes to be a PG in the SEC.Will he be a better PG? who knows.
Turner showed that he can be a really good player, I expect him to improve.
Dbeck should be stronger after a year in the program. While he seems a little slow, he does appear to have a nice game.
Dotson at times showed glimpses of a being good. Other times he was non-existent. It will be interesting to see how much better he is next year.
Also, remember the fact that our Post players were putrid most of the year. We were abused defensively down low. And no team respected us offensively. That really makes it tough on the perimeter.
Warren looked pretty good late in the year as he got healthier and in better shape.
I still think White will be useful off the bench. And Green is what he is. He can give you a few useful minutes.
If Hamilton can prove to simply be a tough rebounder and defender that would be huge.
If O'bryant is half as good as billed, especially offensively down low, then we might have something.
I really expected us to be better this year. But, that was mainly expecting us to be better in the paint. We might have actually been worst. Our post have to improve and I think you'll see much improved perimeter play.
Stringer should be better simply because now he knows what it takes to be a PG in the SEC.Will he be a better PG? who knows.
Turner showed that he can be a really good player, I expect him to improve.
Dbeck should be stronger after a year in the program. While he seems a little slow, he does appear to have a nice game.
Dotson at times showed glimpses of a being good. Other times he was non-existent. It will be interesting to see how much better he is next year.
Also, remember the fact that our Post players were putrid most of the year. We were abused defensively down low. And no team respected us offensively. That really makes it tough on the perimeter.
Warren looked pretty good late in the year as he got healthier and in better shape.
I still think White will be useful off the bench. And Green is what he is. He can give you a few useful minutes.
If Hamilton can prove to simply be a tough rebounder and defender that would be huge.
If O'bryant is half as good as billed, especially offensively down low, then we might have something.
I really expected us to be better this year. But, that was mainly expecting us to be better in the paint. We might have actually been worst. Our post have to improve and I think you'll see much improved perimeter play.
Posted on 3/23/11 at 6:04 pm to ROUSTER
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Still not NCAA tourn or NIT worth
If this is the best we do next year- TJ will not see year 5
He must play 500 in the SEC , win his rent a games and never lose to an in state school again
This should be doable
Posted on 3/23/11 at 6:49 pm to I-59 Tiger
weak post # 27456535328549067463638299494
Posted on 3/23/11 at 6:52 pm to ROUSTER
Stringer needs to come off the bench, he isn't starting material, at least until he learns how to play PG in the SEC.
Posted on 3/23/11 at 6:54 pm to 756
PG - Grooms (JC Tr.) -- Bass (Sr.) -- Stringer (So.)
W - Talley (JC Tr.) -- Stringer (So.) -- Issac (Fr.)
W - Dotson (Jr.) -- Turner (So.) -- Derenbecker (So.)
F - Warren (Sr.) -- White (Sr.) -- Ludwig (Jr.)
F - O'Bryant (Fr.) -- Hamilton (Jr.) -- Green (Sr.)
There are several key developments that could turn things around, assuming that we can get these JC guards:
Injury free seasons for Warren, Turner and Dotson (you can't play this game with bad wheels); rapid progress by three transfers and consistency by the bench. Hamilton must provide rebounding and inside defense. Improved ball handling is essential for the players on the perimeter. Bad passes and forced shots will keep some players on the bench. Somebody has to play defense. That could give Dotson an edge over Turner as a starter. An injury free season for Turner plus improved 3-pt shooting could get him back into the starting lineup. O'Bryant cannot struggle as a defender and a rebounder. He must contribute in those areas of the game. The newcomers must jell by the time the team begins conference play.
W - Talley (JC Tr.) -- Stringer (So.) -- Issac (Fr.)
W - Dotson (Jr.) -- Turner (So.) -- Derenbecker (So.)
F - Warren (Sr.) -- White (Sr.) -- Ludwig (Jr.)
F - O'Bryant (Fr.) -- Hamilton (Jr.) -- Green (Sr.)
There are several key developments that could turn things around, assuming that we can get these JC guards:
Injury free seasons for Warren, Turner and Dotson (you can't play this game with bad wheels); rapid progress by three transfers and consistency by the bench. Hamilton must provide rebounding and inside defense. Improved ball handling is essential for the players on the perimeter. Bad passes and forced shots will keep some players on the bench. Somebody has to play defense. That could give Dotson an edge over Turner as a starter. An injury free season for Turner plus improved 3-pt shooting could get him back into the starting lineup. O'Bryant cannot struggle as a defender and a rebounder. He must contribute in those areas of the game. The newcomers must jell by the time the team begins conference play.
Posted on 3/23/11 at 7:48 pm to LayupKing
As of today, LSU bb will maybe win 5-6 games in the SEC and that is if Obryant is as good as advertised. Isaac won't be any help, he's a descent player who should really be at McNeese. There are many five star high school players who bombed, the list is long. Other than that we will be one year older, and here's the bad news so will everyone else cause the rest of the league is young too. TJ better get a couple of experienced JUCO guys who can play or we will not be much better. So how anyone can believe this team will even sniff either tournaments next year is not realistic. Most teams in the league toyed with us and still blew us out. I still believe the Utah rumors had some teeth from the people I have spoken to, they did to. Sounded like he inquired with his buddy (utah AD) and his friend laughed at him. The fact he is going after JUCO players should tell everyone he knows he is in trouble and abandoning his original plan cause it bombed. Also the fact that Nance is still on campus is a joke, he should have been fired the day after the Vandy game, which tells me TJ still thinks his way is the only. His way as of today will have him unemployed next year at this time. Just being realistic.
Posted on 3/23/11 at 8:32 pm to Old Smokey
O'Bryant may be a good player over time but he is the #25 ranked coming out of high school.
Despite all the talk about how we should never recruit one and done, he is not even at that caliber. Not sure he is the next overnight Savior.
Despite all the talk about how we should never recruit one and done, he is not even at that caliber. Not sure he is the next overnight Savior.
Posted on 3/23/11 at 8:35 pm to I-59 Tiger
Whether or not we get the JUCO point guard will pretty much tell the tale of the season. Stringer isn't the answer.
Posted on 3/23/11 at 8:36 pm to Paulu
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Not sure he is the next overnight Savior.
He's not, but he'll give us more depth down low. Him and the Iowa State transfer. We are an NIT team next year if we have good point guard play (JUCO PG) and solid depth down low.
Posted on 3/23/11 at 9:19 pm to BayouBengals03
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Not sure he is the next overnight Savior.
Everybody knows how you play is who you are.
Posted on 3/24/11 at 6:47 am to LayupKing
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That could give Dotson an edge over Turner as a starter.
Turner was hurt just as Dotson has been, and has out shined him in every way possible. That was a borderline retarded comment, defense or not.
Posted on 3/24/11 at 7:27 am to Trent
The question that simply can't be answered at this point is just how much improvement the young guys show.
I know Stringer looked lost, but the experience he gained may go a long ways into him being a decent PG. Just because he wasn't good at it as a true freshman, doesn't mean he won't be much better with another year in the system.
I really don't doubt that Stringer, Turner, DBeck, and Dotson will be much more successful if we get any kind of presence down low.
How good next year's team turns out will be dependent on Hamilton and O'Bryant being an improvement. It's also dependent on Storm and White being healthy. Which I don't think was the case this year.
Better post play will make our perimeter look much better. Teams never had to worry about our interior play.
I know Stringer looked lost, but the experience he gained may go a long ways into him being a decent PG. Just because he wasn't good at it as a true freshman, doesn't mean he won't be much better with another year in the system.
I really don't doubt that Stringer, Turner, DBeck, and Dotson will be much more successful if we get any kind of presence down low.
How good next year's team turns out will be dependent on Hamilton and O'Bryant being an improvement. It's also dependent on Storm and White being healthy. Which I don't think was the case this year.
Better post play will make our perimeter look much better. Teams never had to worry about our interior play.
Posted on 3/24/11 at 8:15 am to ROUSTER
Stringer is a 2. He played 2 in high school and that's what he should play now. He's short, but he moves well w/o the ball and shoots better off of screens rather than launching it from 30 feet out. Turner is good. He will only get better w/ better post play, so I don't understand that comment. Our big guys set terrible picks, and can't rebound. Green is the only big that sets decent picks. Hamilton will help, O'Bryant should help, and a JUCO PG will definitely help. Dbeck is slow, so he needs to improve his game speed. Dotson to me is a lost cause.
Posted on 3/24/11 at 8:25 am to Paulu
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And we expect that group to compete for an SEC title?
it depends on what kinda player o'bryant is. if he can consistantly play well in the post (big baby from 05-06ish) then it will make this whole team much stronger.
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