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re: LSU Baseball Updates - Injuries, etc. (DOUGHTY UPDATE)

Posted on 3/2/21 at 1:07 pm to
Posted by Flanders
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Posted on 3/2/21 at 1:07 pm to
Where has GT23 disappeared to? I haven't seen him around in the last year.
Posted by harry coleman beast
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Posted on 3/2/21 at 1:07 pm to
Killing bad guys for america
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 3/2/21 at 1:11 pm to
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Where has GT23 disappeared to?
Dont ask questions
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
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Posted on 3/2/21 at 1:14 pm to
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For the life of me I can't understand how CPM can look at the offensive skill sets of these two guys and go Crews, Morgan instead of Morgan, Crews.


Last Friday Ryan Theriot was saying on the radio he likes Crews in the leadoff spot as he'll likely see better pitches there and is still a great threat to steal once he gets on base.
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 3/2/21 at 1:16 pm to
I don’t get the thinking of the leadoff guy getting better pitches. Maybe in a single AB with the pitcher trying to start the game off throwing strikes, but it’s not that much of a benefit. Also, I assume Morgan is faster.
Posted by Meauxjeaux
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Posted on 3/2/21 at 1:21 pm to
Baseball has evolved... CPM and Theriot need to evolve with it.
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 3/2/21 at 1:21 pm to
Crews is 3-7 (0.429) leading off the game with a double and a HR and a K. He has no stolen bases. He's been on first twice as one time he got on with an error.

It's exactly in line with his totals. In other words, he does as good in subsequent ABs as he does in the leadoff spot. Crews is that good where I believe he will hit anywhere. I truly think Morgan and the team would benefit from him leading off, getting on 1B, and stealing more than Crews would who is less likely to be on 1B compared to Morgan. Theriot bringing up steals means nothing if we don't call them.

Posted by Mickey Goldmill
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Posted on 3/2/21 at 1:23 pm to
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I don’t get the thinking of the leadoff guy getting better pitches. Maybe in a single AB with the pitcher trying to start the game off throwing strikes, but it’s not that much of a benefit. Also, I assume Morgan is faster.



I agree with you. I can't imagine it makes THAT much of a difference. Theriot also said Crews was a better base runner than Morgan so that played a part in his thinking as well.
Posted by Meauxjeaux
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Posted on 3/2/21 at 1:23 pm to
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Last Friday Ryan Theriot was saying on the radio he likes Crews in the leadoff spot as he'll likely see better pitches there and is still a great threat to steal once he gets on base.



BTW, this sentiment is also known as playing the game scared.
Posted by harry coleman beast
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Posted on 3/2/21 at 1:24 pm to
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Last Friday Ryan Theriot was saying on the radio he likes Crews in the leadoff spot as he'll likely see better pitches


This makes no sense. Most of his ab’s are coming with no one on base which would be the time u can pitch around someone. He’ll see better pitches hitting with guys on base
Posted by Choupique19
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Posted on 3/2/21 at 1:25 pm to
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Where has GT23 disappeared to?


The government taught him how to disappear and remain in the shadows. Ever notice how we haven’t had some guys hijack a few planes and try to fly them into buildings in the last 19 years? You can thank GT23 for that.
Posted by ProjectP2294
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Posted on 3/2/21 at 1:26 pm to
It’s not just that most of his ABs are coming with no one on base, it’s that they’re taking the most productive hitter and guaranteeing that he takes at least 20% of his plate appearances with no one on base.

They’re doing the opposing teams job for them.

ETA: by moving Crews to 2 and putting Morgan in front of him, even with Milazzo still at 9, the chances that the person immediately in front of crews will be on base go up 24 percentage points. From .160 to .407.
This post was edited on 3/2/21 at 1:34 pm
Posted by harry coleman beast
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Posted on 3/2/21 at 1:26 pm to
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Ever notice how we haven’t had some guys hijack a few planes and try to fly them into buildings in the last 19 years?


Chill chill chill. You know not to get me started on this. This is not the place
Posted by Meauxjeaux
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Posted on 3/2/21 at 1:30 pm to
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3-7
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double and a HR


How much nicer is this with a high OB guy like Morgan ahead of him.

Even if Morgan gets out, you're likely looking at 2 chances with a runner in scoring position with Crews in the second slot.

It just makes sense with a guy with high average and high power to have him up with a guy on base ahead of him and no outs or on his own with 1 out and 2 chances to push him across the plate.
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 3/2/21 at 1:33 pm to
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Theriot also said Crews was a better base runner than Morgan
I think Crews is going to better at everything than everyone just as general rule. But there's no data to support this from what I've seen from watching the games to the actual stats. Again, I'm not saying Crews isn't the "better" base runner, but there's nothing to truly prove that as of today.

My thinking is Morgan is on 1B and can score from there on a double easily, can get to 3B easily on a single, or can steal to basically turn his 1B into a 2B. This puts a ton of stress on a pitcher and defense from the start. I think that's a ton of options for someone who is going to be on 1B a lot. But my main reason is that with him following the 8/9 hitters for the rest of his ABs, we are missing RBI chances. If an inning starts with the 8 or 9 hole up, Crews is coming up with 1 or 2 outs a lot of the time and with no one on. I want the guy hitting xtra base hits up with someone already on base instead of the singles guy hitting behind Crews after you hope he hit a double or better.
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
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Posted on 3/2/21 at 1:42 pm to
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I think Crews is going to better at everything than everyone just as general rule. But there's no data to support this from what I've seen from watching the games to the actual stats. Again, I'm not saying Crews isn't the "better" base runner, but there's nothing to truly prove that as of today.

My thinking is Morgan is on 1B and can score from there on a double easily, can get to 3B easily on a single, or can steal to basically turn his 1B into a 2B. This puts a ton of stress on a pitcher and defense from the start. I think that's a ton of options for someone who is going to be on 1B a lot. But my main reason is that with him following the 8/9 hitters for the rest of his ABs, we are missing RBI chances. If an inning starts with the 8 or 9 hole up, Crews is coming up with 1 or 2 outs a lot of the time and with no one on. I want the guy hitting xtra base hits up with someone already on base instead of the singles guy hitting behind Crews after you hope he hit a double or better.


100% agree

And to back up what you said:

Tre Morgan is 3-3 on stolen base attempts and Crews has yet to attempt a steal.

Morgan also has the 3rd best OB% behind Beloso and Crews.
This post was edited on 3/2/21 at 1:51 pm
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 3/2/21 at 1:50 pm to
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even with Milazzo still at 9, the chances that the person immediately in front of crews will be on base go up 24 percentage points. From .160 to .407
I'm seeing Milazzo's OBP is 0.200 and Morgan's is 0.514. That's a 31% point increase.
This post was edited on 3/2/21 at 1:51 pm
Posted by ProjectP2294
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Posted on 3/2/21 at 1:57 pm to
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I'm seeing Milazzo's OBP is 0.200 and Morgan's is 0.514. That's a 31% point increase.


I misread Morgan's stats on my phone. I thought his was .407.

For Milazzo, multiplied it by 80% because 20% of the time it's guaranteed no one is even hitting in front of Crews.

ETA: so 35 % points
This post was edited on 3/2/21 at 1:59 pm
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 3/2/21 at 1:58 pm to
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For Milazzo, multiplied it by 80% because 20% of the time it's guaranteed no one is even hitting in front of Crews.
Good point.
Posted by Flanders
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Posted on 3/2/21 at 3:46 pm to
Yeah I know about that but I feel like he always kept his head poked in here. Just making sure he’s not banned.

Haven’t spoke to him in a while. Need to hit him up on the book of face.
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