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re: LSU baseball long term plan..
Posted on 7/14/20 at 9:58 am to Lester Earl
Posted on 7/14/20 at 9:58 am to Lester Earl
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LSU does have advantages, and the recent teams that PM has put together do not reflect that.
Other schools are investing in baseball.
Both can be true.
Both are true, but the advantages LSU has are not that great.
The big equalizer is the roster rule and the scholarship rules. That limits what you can do to give your program an edge.
Now it’s up to the coach to use the advantages we have to improve the program and I think PM has not done that.
This post was edited on 7/14/20 at 10:04 am
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Posted on 7/14/20 at 10:06 am to doubleb
They are great, though. They have a national brand that only a few programs can boast about. They have TOPs to help with in state guys. They have weather in their favor, the best fan base, great facilities.
They are indeed have attracted highly ranked players recently, but there has been a lack of development.
A few years ago Paul burnt out the slappy speed hitters and then started going after what are supposed to bigger, more powerful players and he just hasn’t been able to hit that balance. And overall it’s probably not as complicated as it’s being made out to be.
They are indeed have attracted highly ranked players recently, but there has been a lack of development.
A few years ago Paul burnt out the slappy speed hitters and then started going after what are supposed to bigger, more powerful players and he just hasn’t been able to hit that balance. And overall it’s probably not as complicated as it’s being made out to be.
This post was edited on 7/14/20 at 10:07 am
Posted on 7/14/20 at 10:27 am to Lester Earl
National brand yes, but it’s extremely tough to recruit nationally when the scholarships are so small. With 11.7 scholarships it’s very hard to attract kids from a great distance when you can’t give them a full ride.
TOPS is a big help in state. No doubt about that. But La. isn’t a baseball hot bed like it is in football. It’s not like potential major leaguers are all over the state High Schools each year.
Fan base the best? I see tons of empty seats except on big weekends or the tournament. I see other SEC schools with top stadiums and fans packed in. Are we still the best?
I think our problems have been in recruiting players and in developing players. Since Cannizzaro left I think the team has been built with pitching as king. I think we divert more scholarship money to top out of state arms and rely on TOPS and less money to fill the regular lineup with La. kids for the most part. That hadn’t worked that well. Pitching injuries and holes in the regular lineup gave hurt.
We hss a ve too many DH types and not enough good glove men that can hit in the infield. We also had catching woes. We seem to have holes lately in our batting order besides just a lack of power.
TOPS is a big help in state. No doubt about that. But La. isn’t a baseball hot bed like it is in football. It’s not like potential major leaguers are all over the state High Schools each year.
Fan base the best? I see tons of empty seats except on big weekends or the tournament. I see other SEC schools with top stadiums and fans packed in. Are we still the best?
I think our problems have been in recruiting players and in developing players. Since Cannizzaro left I think the team has been built with pitching as king. I think we divert more scholarship money to top out of state arms and rely on TOPS and less money to fill the regular lineup with La. kids for the most part. That hadn’t worked that well. Pitching injuries and holes in the regular lineup gave hurt.
We hss a ve too many DH types and not enough good glove men that can hit in the infield. We also had catching woes. We seem to have holes lately in our batting order besides just a lack of power.
Posted on 7/14/20 at 10:47 am to doubleb
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But La. isn’t a baseball hot bed like it is in football.
Louisiana high school baseball is pretty damn good & consistent.
The state will routinely put 3-4 in state colleges into the postseason per year with our own high school kids as that base.
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Fan base the best? I see tons of empty seats except on big weekends or the tournament. I see other SEC schools with top stadiums and fans packed in. Are we still the best?
Yes cause even on an off night the box is more full than just about anywhere.
Take louisville has discussed earlier in this thread. A weekday game might draw upwards of a 1k. If it’s still 50deg in March, maybe a few hundred. The box has thousands for OOC weeknight games bro
Posted on 7/14/20 at 11:17 am to Lester Earl
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Louisiana high school baseball is pretty damn good & consistent.
Good for it’s size, but when you look at all time MLB players by state we are ranked about 20. I’m not saying we have a bad situation, but if you rely on La. to provide most of your lineup you aren’t going to have a kid to fill every position each year. You need to cherry pick from other states. You bring in a Harpe, a Lamahieu, a Bregman or a Larsen or a Furniss to be the man and fill in with the Gibbs, O’Chinkos, the Harrises, the Wrights, etc. Our best teams have a nice selection of OOS players to go with our La. everyday players.
Posted on 7/14/20 at 11:27 am to doubleb
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Good for it’s size, but when you look at all time MLB players by state we are ranked about 20. I’m not saying we have a bad situation, but if you rely on La. to provide most of your lineup you aren’t going to have a kid to fill every position each year. You need to cherry pick from other states. You bring in a Harpe, a Lamahieu, a Bregman or a Larsen or a Furniss to be the man and fill in with the Gibbs, O’Chinkos, the Harrises, the Wrights, etc. Our best teams have a nice selection of OOS players to go with our La. everyday players.
I think another issue we have is Paul refuses to recruit and he has to waste a coaching spot on a recruiting coordinator instead of doing what he’s supposed to do. That limits us in our options for hitting coach. I hope Eddie proves me wrong and can get our bats turned but at this point I won’t believe until I see because I been let down to much in recent memory.
Posted on 7/14/20 at 11:27 am to doubleb
LSU recruits nationwide so it would be foolish not go take advantage of that. Louisiana is fertile, too. The baseball system of recruiting is not much different than football.
Posted on 7/14/20 at 11:28 am to TexasTiger88
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That limits us in our options for hitting coach. I hope Eddie proves me wrong and can get our bats turned but at this point I won’t believe until I see because I been let down to much in recent memory.
You don't think Eddie Smith has a proven track record as a hitting coach?
Posted on 7/14/20 at 11:42 am to Lester Earl
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The baseball system of recruiting is not much different than football
WTF.... Nothing about baseball recruiting is the same as football. Every time you type out a post, it is more ridiculous than the one before.
This post was edited on 7/14/20 at 11:43 am
Posted on 7/14/20 at 11:42 am to TexasTiger88
Having a recruiting coach that doesn’t coach isn’t good. I question Cain’s ability to evaluate regular talent too.
Posted on 7/14/20 at 11:44 am to doubleb
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Having a recruiting coach that doesn’t coach isn’t good. I question Cain’s ability to evaluate regular talent too
I think Cain has done a great job of figuring out which players they can actually get to campus and grabbing them.
Posted on 7/14/20 at 11:45 am to Lester Earl
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LSU recruits nationwide so it would be foolish not go take advantage of that. Louisiana is fertile, too. The baseball system of recruiting is not much different than football.
The LSU brand can get you in the door but you don’t recruit baseball like you recruit football. It’s not close.
You have scholarship limits, competition from MLB and a lot more competition.
Posted on 7/14/20 at 11:47 am to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
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I think Cain has done a great job of figuring out which players they can actually get to campus and grabbing them.
Yes, but he struggles to get top shelf players to fill all our needs.
Posted on 7/14/20 at 11:54 am to doubleb
Cabrera, Milazzo, Doughty, Hampton, Willis were all pretty big gets. There are plenty on the pitching side too. But I do agree, that position players could be better.
I won't count this year's freshman because it was a weird year. Hampton was probably more to do with football, and Willis didn't get the chance to pan out.
Maybe Cabrera and Milazzo weren't super big draft risk either. I don't remember on either coming out of HS.
I won't count this year's freshman because it was a weird year. Hampton was probably more to do with football, and Willis didn't get the chance to pan out.
Maybe Cabrera and Milazzo weren't super big draft risk either. I don't remember on either coming out of HS.
This post was edited on 7/14/20 at 11:56 am
Posted on 7/14/20 at 11:55 am to doubleb
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but you don’t recruit baseball like you recruit football.
They recruit the state first because of the talent, then branch out. That is how I am comparing it to football.
Posted on 7/14/20 at 11:57 am to Lester Earl
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They recruit the state first because of the talent, then branch out. That is how I am comparing it to football.
There isn't nearly enough talent in the state to make baseball what it needs to be. It's not like football at all. Some of the players from the state are the same ones you've been bitching about 50 times per day.
This post was edited on 7/14/20 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 7/14/20 at 12:14 pm to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
The numbers are relative.
If you get 5 or 6 from Louisiana out of 16 or 17,
it’s the same as getting 9 or 10 from the state of 25 in football.
Rosters are smaller in baseball. Less kids participate because of it. It’s really not that hard to digest. The patterns in both sports are very much alike.
If you get 5 or 6 from Louisiana out of 16 or 17,
it’s the same as getting 9 or 10 from the state of 25 in football.
Rosters are smaller in baseball. Less kids participate because of it. It’s really not that hard to digest. The patterns in both sports are very much alike.
Posted on 7/14/20 at 12:18 pm to Lester Earl
I'm not talking about numbers. I'm talking about talent.
Posted on 7/14/20 at 12:19 pm to Lester Earl
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If you get 5 or 6 from Louisiana out of 16 or 17,
Are you talking about in one class?
Posted on 7/14/20 at 12:22 pm to doubleb
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Are you talking about in one class?
Yes.
The rosters and scholarships are set up differently in baseball, therefore there is more fluctuation each year with the limit.
But LA very much has really good high school baseball. And LSU very much makes sure to hit the state before branching out, especially with the way they can manipulate with TOPS.
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