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re: LSU baseball getting some early preseason love! Preseason #1
Posted on 7/27/24 at 7:39 pm to TexasTiger89
Posted on 7/27/24 at 7:39 pm to TexasTiger89
FSU shouldn't be anywhere near the top 10. Yes we might have the best 1-2 with Jamie Arnold and Cam Leiter but we lost all the hitters and the heart of our line up. 2, 3, 4, 5, 6..Tibbs,Smith, Ferrer, Dinges, Cantu. You can't replace that in less than a couple months. Maybe some of these incoming recruits or transfers can right the ship offensively. I'll put us between 15-20. Our advantage is having Link as the coach. He can make something out of nothing
This post was edited on 7/27/24 at 7:40 pm
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Posted on 7/27/24 at 9:05 pm to SofaKingTrill
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They were preseason #1 or #2 last year.
Which would be top 5. I just wasn't completely sure if it was unanimous. Looks like it was. Still never agreed with that. LSU lost way too many key players off the Championship team. I feel much better about next season's team.
Posted on 7/27/24 at 10:32 pm to Adam4848
The tune of your argument changed pretty quickly 
Posted on 7/27/24 at 10:47 pm to burreauxxx
Swing and a miss on you naming an SEC team
Posted on 7/28/24 at 9:03 am to Adam4848
He's been doing research all night
Posted on 7/28/24 at 9:28 am to Adam4848
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He's been doing research all night
You read his idiotic takes and think he does research? When he's proven wrong he just moves the bar somewhere else.
Posted on 7/28/24 at 9:43 am to Hold That Tiger 10
I have faith in him
Posted on 7/28/24 at 9:59 am to Adam4848
So pitching doesn’t matter? If you want to make the argument that everyone else lacks returning production too, then go for it.
For a team ranked No 1, LSU has a ton of “new” and not much proven SEC production returning. It’s that simple.
In 2023, making LSU preseason No 1 made more sense. Tre, Dylan, Tanks etc was a proven nucleus in the heart of the order. You have to be a lot more imaginative with this team.
If you want to make the argument that everyone else lacks returning production too, then go for it. For a team ranked No 1, LSU has a ton of “new” and not much proven SEC production returning. It’s that simple.
In 2023, making LSU preseason No 1 made more sense. Tre, Dylan, Tanks etc was a proven nucleus in the heart of the order. You have to be a lot more imaginative with this team.
Posted on 7/28/24 at 10:06 am to Adam4848
NicolasTiger has to be loving this thread. For over a year he's been laughed off the board. Burreaux shows up and possibly takes over the top retard spot.
Posted on 7/28/24 at 10:34 am to burreauxxx
It was at this point when asked what SEC teams have proven (high level) hitters that he realized a lineup with Crews/White in a lineup is not defined as "normal"
You not answering my question after I've asked you twice is the...game.set.match.
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So pitching doesn’t matter? If you want to make the argument that everyone else lacks returning production too, then go for it.
You not answering my question after I've asked you twice is the...game.set.match.
This post was edited on 7/28/24 at 10:36 am
Posted on 7/28/24 at 10:40 am to Hold That Tiger 10
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NicolasTiger has to be loving this thread. For over a year he's been laughed off the board. Burreaux shows up and possibly takes over the top retard spot.
True but NicholasTiger makes dumb takes in every sport. That's a talent.
This post was edited on 7/28/24 at 10:41 am
Posted on 7/28/24 at 11:09 am to Adam4848
I’m not here to answer your questions.
My point remains: for LSU to be named preseason No 1 while not having much proven production and continuity is a reach.
You say that the 2023 LSU team isn’t “normal” but I’ll submit that Tennessee had the same thing, Ole Miss had it a few years ago. Miss State, Vandy, Oregon St etc.
This 2025 LSU team does not look like those teams that actually FINISHED No. 1. Thus, we will need quite a bit of projection to play out in our favor if LSU is to win the CWS next season. Many of these transfers from small schools will need to hit. We saw it with Skenes but we also saw the opposite with Bingham who appeared to be a sure thing to hit .300+ and be a consistent piece in the heart of the order. We saw how that played out.
So, again, you can feel good as an LSU fan about being named the early preseason No. 1 if you want. But history would suggest the construct of this team isn’t like the others listed above. Does that mean we have no shot? Of course not. But the preseason No. 1 stuff is silly. This team has just as good of a chance at finishing 6th in the SEC.
My point remains: for LSU to be named preseason No 1 while not having much proven production and continuity is a reach.
You say that the 2023 LSU team isn’t “normal” but I’ll submit that Tennessee had the same thing, Ole Miss had it a few years ago. Miss State, Vandy, Oregon St etc.
This 2025 LSU team does not look like those teams that actually FINISHED No. 1. Thus, we will need quite a bit of projection to play out in our favor if LSU is to win the CWS next season. Many of these transfers from small schools will need to hit. We saw it with Skenes but we also saw the opposite with Bingham who appeared to be a sure thing to hit .300+ and be a consistent piece in the heart of the order. We saw how that played out.
So, again, you can feel good as an LSU fan about being named the early preseason No. 1 if you want. But history would suggest the construct of this team isn’t like the others listed above. Does that mean we have no shot? Of course not. But the preseason No. 1 stuff is silly. This team has just as good of a chance at finishing 6th in the SEC.
Posted on 7/28/24 at 11:43 am to burreauxxx
A&M will probably be preseason #1 with Prager coming back, but most teams don’t have 9 proven SEC veterans
People voting generally would consider a guy like Dickinson proven enough.
People voting generally would consider a guy like Dickinson proven enough.
Posted on 7/28/24 at 11:54 am to SammyTiger
Don’t need 9 proven. Just more than 1.
I think a lot of our preseason projections that had us in the top 5 last year were because of guys like Kling who had never done anything in college especially at the SEC level. We saw how that went also.
Bottom line: history shows you need returning production and continuity. We have turned over a TON. Will that change in the NIL era? Maybe but I’ll have to see it first.
The SEC is loaded every year. I think it’s fair to put LSU in the same bucket as a lot of similar teams that are breaking in a lot of young, new and unproven players. I agree A&M should be preseason No. 1 because of the nucleus they return. There are a good half dozen other programs that are close to where LSU is, with tradition and talent but unproven returning production.
I think a lot of our preseason projections that had us in the top 5 last year were because of guys like Kling who had never done anything in college especially at the SEC level. We saw how that went also.
Bottom line: history shows you need returning production and continuity. We have turned over a TON. Will that change in the NIL era? Maybe but I’ll have to see it first.
The SEC is loaded every year. I think it’s fair to put LSU in the same bucket as a lot of similar teams that are breaking in a lot of young, new and unproven players. I agree A&M should be preseason No. 1 because of the nucleus they return. There are a good half dozen other programs that are close to where LSU is, with tradition and talent but unproven returning production.
Posted on 7/28/24 at 12:34 pm to burreauxxx
We have a good mix of veteran players and young up and coming players. Your issue is you discount any player who didn’t play in the SEC last year.
Jones, Hernandez, Braswell, Stanfield and Dickinson have played a lot of baseball.
Braswell lack the power to be a star but Stars don’t play 4 years. Last year he was a dependable hitter who got on base a lot.
Milam and Larson are “unknowns” in that we don’t know their ceilings but we’ve seen play in the SEC and look pretty good.
And then you have guys like Arrambide and Curiel who are the kind of incoming freshmen recruits who have the seasons that might actually impress you.
And the pitching has the stuff that plays. Schmidt is a Bregmen, Crews level prospect. he isn’t a project. His stuff plays right away.
Jones, Hernandez, Braswell, Stanfield and Dickinson have played a lot of baseball.
Braswell lack the power to be a star but Stars don’t play 4 years. Last year he was a dependable hitter who got on base a lot.
Milam and Larson are “unknowns” in that we don’t know their ceilings but we’ve seen play in the SEC and look pretty good.
And then you have guys like Arrambide and Curiel who are the kind of incoming freshmen recruits who have the seasons that might actually impress you.
And the pitching has the stuff that plays. Schmidt is a Bregmen, Crews level prospect. he isn’t a project. His stuff plays right away.
This post was edited on 7/28/24 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 7/28/24 at 12:48 pm to SammyTiger
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Your issue is you discount any player who didn’t play in the SEC last year
Yet in this exact thread he used Tanks in 2023 to explain how he was proven.
Posted on 7/28/24 at 2:03 pm to SammyTiger
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Your issue is you discount any player who didn’t play in the SEC last year.
For good reason, yeah
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the kind of incoming freshmen recruits who have the seasons that might
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have played a lot of baseball.
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has the stuff that plays.
Agree with all this. These statements point to a lot of unproven and uncertainty
Posted on 7/28/24 at 2:08 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
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Yet in this exact thread he used Tanks in 2023 to explain how he was proven.
Tanks set records in a major baseball conference as a freshman.
Forgive me if I dont see as much risk there as kids from Utah Valley St, Mount St Mary’s, Incarnate Word et al
Posted on 7/28/24 at 2:26 pm to burreauxxx
I can tell you have some recency bias in the Bingham transfer not hitting and Kling and Neal ending up as busts.
I also agree that preseason baseball polls are a bit of a joke to an extent but it's something to talk about.
I also agree that preseason baseball polls are a bit of a joke to an extent but it's something to talk about.
Posted on 7/28/24 at 2:36 pm to Adam4848
I don’t know that I would call it recency bias as much as evaluating Jays ability to evaluate and develop.
I think adding Tanks and Skenes to what he inherited from Maineri was a helluva nucleus for a championship team.
He has turned over a lot. Now we are adding several new faces and expecting it to gel and for several to hit at the SEC level. I just think it’s pretty obvious that there is a tremendous amount of uncertainty that gets in the way of feeling confident about this team. I think that’s a very fair assessment and not an anti-LSU viewpoint.
I think adding Tanks and Skenes to what he inherited from Maineri was a helluva nucleus for a championship team.
He has turned over a lot. Now we are adding several new faces and expecting it to gel and for several to hit at the SEC level. I just think it’s pretty obvious that there is a tremendous amount of uncertainty that gets in the way of feeling confident about this team. I think that’s a very fair assessment and not an anti-LSU viewpoint.
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