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re: LSU 84 @ Ole Miss 73 Final
Posted on 1/7/24 at 4:15 pm to Choupique19
Posted on 1/7/24 at 4:15 pm to Choupique19
quote:she also kept running over Ole Miss shooters who were missing shots giving them easy free throws.
Morrow scored 4 points in the first 90 seconds of the 4Q. She is certainly a better option to finish the game with than ADR.
Posted on 1/7/24 at 4:16 pm to Sandperson
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Poa is actually our best PG. She does not score much but she defends, draws the charge and does not turn the ball over.
She's a black hole offensively. Today she has 3 turnovers, 3 fouls, (all blocking fouls trying to draw charges, but has also drawn a couple successfully), and has almost no ability to score the ball. Can't fault her effort or energy on defense though, that's for sure.
LSU has plenty of scoring with Reese, Williams, Johnson, Morrow, and Van Lith. Every one of those could be 20-30 points per night players if they were on a team that didn't have 5 go-to scorers. Morrow had a pretty bad game and Van Lith turned it over a ton against the size and length of Ole Miss...She did show some of her scoring we all saw in the tournament last year when she had to just create something out of nothing. That's where she really excels. Two players having subpar days offensively and we are still scoring 80+. They continue shoot over 50% from 3 and they'll be tough to stop. In my worthless opinion, Flaujae and Mikaylah are the keys to the offense. They both have the ability to drive to the basket and finish, as well as shoot the ball. They have a complete offensive game. They both forced quite a few turnovers and got us going in transition as well. When they're going, LSU is tough to stop even if one of two of the other starters are having bad days.
The only thing that will eventually catch up to this team is lack of depth. Get caught in foul trouble like they did today against a team that's a little big better and they can get in a bind quickly. Tons of talent at the top...not much depth. Would be nice to see Bartlett, Velez, or Kent prove that they can give some meaningful minutes when we get in a bind. We are down to just 11 players on the roster at this point. 5 starters, Poa, Del Rosario are the only players to play the 2 SEC games so far. Losing Samyah Smith killed our depth with the post player rotation as Del Rosario clearly isn't quite ready to play at this level. Who knows what all was really going on with Kateri Poole, but she was the other guard we had off the bench we could trust.
This post was edited on 1/7/24 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 1/7/24 at 4:21 pm to Choupique19
Kim Mulvey or angel Reese needs to have the HARD convo with HVL to ask her to come off the bench in a "ginobli" type role...
She is NOT a facilitating PG and she is costing and has costed her team.
Look at the colorado game, the VT game, and this one. The thing they have in common is they pressured HVL both offensively and defensively.
This team with such great scorers need a facilitating pg not a scoring pg and poa is just that.
And I know you're going to say well she's learning a new position. Well so is morrow because she used to having the ball all the time. So is MW being a freshman. So is Big 4 as KM has asked her to be the glue guy, the utility guy instead of a scorer. They're all learning new positions.
They were being killed on a press and just running an offense until HVL got 4 fouls. Soon as Poa comes in press break and forced Ole miss out of the press at one point. Soon as HVL comes back in turnover, play design to go at her on defense, and the press is back on.
HVL and her PG play is the difference between LSU leaving in the elite 8 or repeating as champs.
She is NOT a facilitating PG and she is costing and has costed her team.
Look at the colorado game, the VT game, and this one. The thing they have in common is they pressured HVL both offensively and defensively.
This team with such great scorers need a facilitating pg not a scoring pg and poa is just that.
And I know you're going to say well she's learning a new position. Well so is morrow because she used to having the ball all the time. So is MW being a freshman. So is Big 4 as KM has asked her to be the glue guy, the utility guy instead of a scorer. They're all learning new positions.
They were being killed on a press and just running an offense until HVL got 4 fouls. Soon as Poa comes in press break and forced Ole miss out of the press at one point. Soon as HVL comes back in turnover, play design to go at her on defense, and the press is back on.
HVL and her PG play is the difference between LSU leaving in the elite 8 or repeating as champs.
This post was edited on 1/7/24 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 1/7/24 at 4:25 pm to NWLATigerFan12
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Who knows what all was really going on with Kateri Poole, but she was the other guard we had off the bench we could trust.
You are correct that we don't know what happened, but it appears Poole did not want to come off the bench.
Posted on 1/7/24 at 4:27 pm to Csel12
When poa came in the game changed/
We easily beat the press and she took 2-3 charges
We easily beat the press and she took 2-3 charges
Posted on 1/7/24 at 4:28 pm to Csel12
KVL's problem is not her size, there plenty examples of great under sized point guards (we have one coaching our team). She just does not know the position yet. PG is a lot about feel.
Posted on 1/7/24 at 4:29 pm to NWLATigerFan12
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Who knows what all was really going on with Kateri Poole,
Was kind of cool having three ladies from The Bronx on the team.
Posted on 1/7/24 at 4:29 pm to NWLATigerFan12
Our starting 5 looked gassed at times. We really only have Poa with experience from the bench (for defensive purposes). If you take out Van Lith, you take out scoring. Rosario just stands there, slow feet, will take time to catch up to college games where everyone is bigger and faster. Playing 5 almost the entire game may catch up with us eventually. SEC schedule is long and brutal. Strength and conditioning is going to be important the rest of the year.
I am baffled about Bartlett. She has been at LSU for 3 years and top 50 star recruit out of HS. She will not be a starter, has not worked her way to at least being the top 1-2 off the bench. Does anyone have any idea what is going on with her? Is she really not that good? What is her story? I was hoping this year would be her year to step up.
I am baffled about Bartlett. She has been at LSU for 3 years and top 50 star recruit out of HS. She will not be a starter, has not worked her way to at least being the top 1-2 off the bench. Does anyone have any idea what is going on with her? Is she really not that good? What is her story? I was hoping this year would be her year to step up.
This post was edited on 1/7/24 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 1/7/24 at 4:34 pm to Sandperson
Who said anything about her size? hvl is not a point guard period. She don't know how to run an offense and she isn't a pass first facilitator. She don't understand angles from a PG perspective. She understands them from a scoring one. And she don't understand the tempo and moments of the game from a PG perspective. That has nothing to do with size
Posted on 1/7/24 at 4:37 pm to Jim bean xxx
Exactly because POA is the true PG we need for THIS line up. I'm not saying POA is better than HVL talent wise but she's the better fit for THIS lineup as she looks to run the offense and dictate the pass and get everyone else involved.
And most importantly she isn't a liability on defense! Teams are scheming to attack HVL on the defensive side now. They're running plays to post her or clear her to one side in iso situations. Colorado did it, VT did it, and OM just did it.
And most importantly she isn't a liability on defense! Teams are scheming to attack HVL on the defensive side now. They're running plays to post her or clear her to one side in iso situations. Colorado did it, VT did it, and OM just did it.
Posted on 1/7/24 at 4:38 pm to LSUVT
Kim is gonna have to use her scholarships moving forward, she left 3 wide open for this year that maybe could have gone to another transfer or two to aid the bench depth. Smith injury put a wrench into things, and while Poole wasn't great that is experienced Depth and another ball handler that LSU lacks right now.
The starting 5 can compete with anyone, but they are human and will get tired at times playing so hard and long.
The starting 5 can compete with anyone, but they are human and will get tired at times playing so hard and long.
This post was edited on 1/7/24 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 1/7/24 at 4:52 pm to Csel12
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That has nothing to do with size
The ESPN announcers were blaming it on her size...not ranters.
Posted on 1/7/24 at 5:04 pm to Sandperson
Gotcha. I agree with you. I don't think it'd her size. I think they said that because teams are starting to go at her and post her up.
Posted on 1/7/24 at 5:34 pm to Csel12
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They were being killed on a press and just running an offense until HVL got 4 fouls
They had 50 points at half time. Yes, the 3Q was ugly. And yes, HVL had too many turnovers today. but Van Lith isn’t “killing the offense”. And are you just going to ignore that Poa had 3 turnovers in only 17 minutes of play? She’s not an elite ball handler either.
Posted on 1/7/24 at 5:41 pm to Choupique19
Today was the first time I saw HVL hunt her shots this year and it was good for LSU's offense because her offense is key to a post season run.
The reality is she just isn't a natural ball handler despite how hard she and Mulkey work on it but if she can get going offensively as well that is going to be a big boost for this team as we progress through the season. At times when the offense stalled today she was able to generate her own shot which was nice to see.
The team collective has to work on the press and clean up the D (mostly the transition D). I didn't think the refs were all that great and contributed to all of that chaos
The reality is she just isn't a natural ball handler despite how hard she and Mulkey work on it but if she can get going offensively as well that is going to be a big boost for this team as we progress through the season. At times when the offense stalled today she was able to generate her own shot which was nice to see.
The team collective has to work on the press and clean up the D (mostly the transition D). I didn't think the refs were all that great and contributed to all of that chaos
This post was edited on 1/7/24 at 5:42 pm
Posted on 1/7/24 at 5:46 pm to Tigerbait357
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The team collective has to work on the press
I don’t understand how we kept getting trapped. We were never in danger of a 10 second call, but as was pointed out by others, we kept dribbling right into the two defender trap. A little more ball movement could fix that. Also, the person receiving the pass has to go meet the ball. A few times we waited and Ole Miss got to the ball first.
This post was edited on 1/7/24 at 5:46 pm
Posted on 1/7/24 at 5:54 pm to bearhc
Didn’t HVL want to learn the PG position?
Posted on 1/7/24 at 6:23 pm to Choupique19
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Kim Mulkey on Ole Miss' record breaking crowd and how her players view it.
"They view it as their crowd. They came here to see us."
Posted on 1/7/24 at 6:27 pm to Tigerbait357
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I didn't think the refs were all that great and contributed to all of that chaos
Officials knew the game was on national TV, Mulkey in town so a lot of eyeballs, and they wanted to be sure and insert themselves and make themselves part of the game.
This post was edited on 1/7/24 at 6:28 pm
Posted on 1/7/24 at 6:44 pm to Choupique19
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don’t understand how we kept getting trapped. We were never in danger of a 10 second call, but as was pointed out by others, we kept dribbling right into the two defender trap. A little more ball movement could fix that. Also, the person receiving the pass has to go meet the ball. A few times we waited and Ole Miss got to the ball first.
They should have had a mobile big such as Reese or Johnson behind the ball. I don't think we worked on the press very mcuh.
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