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re: LSU 'Booger' McFarland says Les Miles' seat is getting warm
Posted on 7/16/15 at 9:28 am to Nix to Twillie
Posted on 7/16/15 at 9:28 am to Nix to Twillie
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Actually in the last FOUR, it's been 8-0, 6-2, 5-3, 4-4. That's an entire class.
Not sure why you would count an 8-0 conference record as as the beginning of a downward trend, but that's pretty consistent with the rest of your thought process. For that matter, why include 6-2? What did everyone else in the conference do in 2012. You're like so many other negatigers on here with unrealistic expectations. Don't bother hanging up. Just go away.
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Posted on 7/16/15 at 9:40 am to Dudebro2
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All I can say to you IB
BTW, that's "Mr. Smacinhos" to you.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 9:41 am to Tigerdew
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I think the DC search fiasco is very telling in regards to Les' future.
I think you think wrong. timing is everything when hiring a coach and it is even more important when hiring a co-ordinator and then even more than that when hiring a head coach.
and you call it a fiasco without knowing one damn detail about that search.
so you are either a liar or a dummy. I suppose there is a very slight possibility that you are one of the extremely few that know the real story but i'll bet Les hasn't told a soul.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 9:41 am to IB Smacinhos
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I'm looking for sustained consistency over a longer term
The problem is you are not looking at all!
As I said in a previous post you can only live on past performances for so long. I haven't seen anyone on this post say fire Miles today. Booger didn't say fire Miles today. He said his seat is getting a little warm. He is looking at a trend "8-0, 6-2, 5-3, 4-4" over the past 4 years. You can't hide that as much as YOU may want to. If Miles goes 4-4 in the SEC again this year, you better believe his seat will get hot. Will he get fired? I don't think so but then 2016 will be put up or get lost.
If that happens it is real simple, Miles will be a victim of his own success. You can't get paid as one of the top ten coaches in the country and expect to keep your job with this kind of trend "6-2, 5-3, 4-4" it just won't happen. As much as you want him to stay, he needs to perform this year and if not then next year will be his last shot to make something special happen.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 9:49 am to IB Smacinhos
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IB Smacinhos
Just keep sticking your head in the sand for fear of seeing something you won't like, while everyone keeps running around you whacking you on your arse!!!
"6-2, 5-3, 4-4" that is a trend big boy whether you like it or not and it isn't a trend that will keep a coach employed at LSU. College Football is huge business and big business wants success not failure. 4-4 in the SEC might be success for Vandy or UK in college football but it isn't for the Tigers and you should be happy the bar is set higher. That means we have been successful. But you can only go so far on past performance you have to perform and after this trend "6-2, 5-3, 4-4" you need to perform. If Miles puts up a 10-11 win season his seat will not be warm anymore, but if he puts up 8-5 "4-4 in SEC and a loss in a bowl" will you be happy with that?
Posted on 7/16/15 at 9:49 am to Dudebro2
2011 Season: 13-1 (8-0), Juniors taken in 2012 Draft: 2
2012 Season: 10-3 (6-2), Juniors taken in 2013 Draft: 11
2013 Season: 10-3 (5-3), Juniors taken in 2014 Draft: 7
2014 Season: 8-5 (4-4), Juniors taken in 2014 Draft: 3
Anyone being objective can see there is a direct, inverse relationship between losing experienced talent and the W-L ratio. It's a shame we have to recruit these players to come play for LSU twice.... and that it's much easier to recruit against the SEC than the NFL.
2012 Season: 10-3 (6-2), Juniors taken in 2013 Draft: 11
2013 Season: 10-3 (5-3), Juniors taken in 2014 Draft: 7
2014 Season: 8-5 (4-4), Juniors taken in 2014 Draft: 3
Anyone being objective can see there is a direct, inverse relationship between losing experienced talent and the W-L ratio. It's a shame we have to recruit these players to come play for LSU twice.... and that it's much easier to recruit against the SEC than the NFL.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 9:56 am to Melvin
Melvin how does it feel to be in line with the DAs
Posted on 7/16/15 at 9:58 am to chilge1
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It's a shame we have to recruit these players to come play for LSU twice.... and that it's much easier to recruit against the SEC than the NFL.
No doubt, but every program has the same issue. Miles finally gets it and is doing what he can to stem the tide. For example going to speak with Mills and getting him to stay. Whether anyone believes this or not that was huge. Mills experience and leadership along with his play will be big for the defense this year.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 9:58 am to blackjackjackson
I wish his seat were hot, as in boiling hot. he seems to only get off his arse and get motivated when he's on the hot seat, other times seems to be coasting.
He recruits his arse off, and then coaches like he has no clues in big games. His players are unprepared, leave school early in droves before they are ready, and seem to ape his own 'loosy goosy" style which often results in blowing games down the stretch.
He recruits his arse off, and then coaches like he has no clues in big games. His players are unprepared, leave school early in droves before they are ready, and seem to ape his own 'loosy goosy" style which often results in blowing games down the stretch.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 9:59 am to JawjaTigah
quote:I think that this year will either clear, or muddy things up tremendously.
Or until it is totally clear that under Les, they can't or won't.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 10:00 am to IB Smacinhos
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You're like so many other negatigers on here with unrealistic expectations. Don't bother hanging up. Just go away.
Not even close to a negatiger. I think this is going to be a great season for us. The 4-year trend I posted is a fact that represents, statistically, a decline. Am I saying it'll only get worse? Hell no. All I ever said is I understand why McFarland would say his seat is "warm," and I've seen even the most positive fans say he at least has a point. You still haven't answered my question--what would be an acceptable season? Do you honestly think 8 wins is asking too much? Stop dodging it and I'll go away. Some of you fans are so damn sensitive to even the slightest criticism that it's embarassing. We're still a great program, we just haven't done as well the past couple of years and it's time we start competing for championships again. But that's just "negatiger" logic to you, isn't it?
This post was edited on 7/16/15 at 10:01 am
Posted on 7/16/15 at 10:00 am to chilge1
quote:here's a reason that they are leaving early, and it's not all money. Most of these guys get drafted late rounds and make hardly any money at all. someone needs to examine the reasons why they leave, it's not about money, perhaps its about confidence in the coach and the program.
Anyone being objective can see there is a direct, inverse relationship between losing experienced talent and the W-L ratio. It's a shame we have to recruit these players to come play for LSU twice.... and that it's much easier to recruit against the SEC than the NFL.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 10:04 am to Dudebro2
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No doubt, but every program has the same issue. Miles finally gets it and is doing what he can to stem the tide.
From 2012-13, LSU had 18 players declare early for the draft, the next most depleted team was Alabama with 7.
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For example going to speak with Mills and getting him to stay. Whether anyone believes this or not that was huge
It sounds like you're insinuating that it's Miles' fault, and that if he had simply tried harder and made more of an effort that the players would have stayed an extra year. I hope that's not the case.
Of the 12 players to leave after their junior years who went on to be drafted, 11 of them were taken in the first 3 rounds of the draft (the 12th was Tharold Simon, who may have been dismissed from the team). Thanks to the new CBA with a rookie pay scale and the urgency to get the second contract, any player would be an idiot to turn down that draft grade at this point in the game.
ETA: Spencer Ware also left early to make way for the Jeremy Hill show and was taken in the 6th Rd.
This post was edited on 7/16/15 at 10:08 am
Posted on 7/16/15 at 10:04 am to SCwTiger
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I think that this year will either clear, or muddy things up tremendously
Wow what insight and thought was put into that post!!!
Posted on 7/16/15 at 10:05 am to IB Smacinhos
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Actually in the last FOUR, it's been 8-0, 6-2, 5-3, 4-4. That's an entire class.
Not sure why you would count an 8-0 conference record as as the beginning of a downward trend,
because a downward trend begins after a peak.
Seriously, how stupid are you? cantaloupe? rock level?
Posted on 7/16/15 at 10:06 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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Most of these guys get drafted late rounds and make hardly any money at all.
This is nothing more than an outright lie.
1st Rd. - Eric Reid, Barkevious Mingo, Odell Beckham
2nd Rd. - Kevin Minter, Ego Ferguson, Jeremy Hill, Jarvis Landry
3rd Rd. - Bennie Logan, Sam Montgomery, Trai Turner
Posted on 7/16/15 at 10:08 am to chilge1
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It sounds like you're insinuating that it's Miles' fault, and that if he had simply tried harder and made more of an effort that the players would have stayed an extra year. I hope that's not the case
Not at all but it looks like Miles is realizing that recruiting these juniors to stay is just as big as recruiting them to come to LSU. Does it suck, yes it does, but it is what it is you play the hand you are dealt.
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hanks to the new CBA with a rookie pay scale and the urgency to get the second contract, any player would be an idiot to turn down that draft grade at this point in the game.
The dynamics of the game have changed there is no doubt but we have to find a way to be successful within those dynamics
Posted on 7/16/15 at 10:16 am to blackjackjackson
Lose to Alabama again and it will be warm for 2016
Posted on 7/16/15 at 10:17 am to Dudebro2
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Not at all but it looks like Miles is realizing that recruiting these juniors to stay is just as big as recruiting them to come to LSU. Does it suck, yes it does, but it is what it is you play the hand you are dealt.
It would certainly have been interesting to see if Kwon and Hunter would have made different decisions had their positions coaches been retained through this season. I can't really blame Collins for leaving... he had already graduated and was taken in the 2nd Rd.
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The dynamics of the game have changed there is no doubt but we have to find a way to be successful within those dynamics
And you're right about Miles being more proactive in this issue. We'll always be more at risk than most other programs because we recruit at a higher level... but losing only three players this last offseason is encouraging.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 10:19 am to IB Smacinhos
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You're like so many other negatigers on here with unrealistic expectations.
So according to you, Les is a negatiger. He just said point blank: " 8 wins is not good enough."
You're sinking fast, IB.
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