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re: Looks like Troy will have an 11 win season

Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:21 pm to
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:21 pm to
Have y’all taken away wins vs ranked teams for Les? And if you beat an unranked team that ends up ranked do you count that as beating a ranked team?

Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:25 pm to
Yes. Hence, ranked teams at the end of the year
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:27 pm to
But you do agree we never get credit for beating a top 5 team or #1 team in the country unless they are ranked that way when we play them right?
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:28 pm to
Sure.


But teams ranked #1 or top 5 at some point usually end up pretty good.

You are whining because we don't get credit for beating #24 Ole Miss because they ended up unranked when they were barely ranked to begin with.


We talk about beating #1 UF in 97. Great.

Do we say we beat the best team in the country that year? No. Because they weren't the best team despite holding that ranking in early October.
This post was edited on 12/21/17 at 12:32 pm
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:38 pm to
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Sure.


so it's been established how w/l records vs. ranked opponents have been recorded throughout college football history but NOW some people want to completely change that system and make it applicable only with final rankings? Oh but I guess you are saying "barely" ranked teams shouldn't count but if they end up "barely" ranked they do count

ETA- I am bored I want to check CLM record vs ranked opponents now
This post was edited on 12/21/17 at 12:40 pm
Posted by lsu2006
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Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:46 pm to
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Have y’all taken away wins vs ranked teams for Les? And if you beat an unranked team that ends up ranked do you count that as beating a ranked team?

I don't recall people having to jump through mental hoops to prop up Les' record to the extent of tallying his record against "opponents who were ranked when we played them", so this question is a little hard to answer. But what I know is that when I look back on ANY season I like to see how each opponent finished before I can really asses how the season went. It makes sense to do it that way if you don't have a bias you're trying to push
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:46 pm to
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but NOW some people want to completely change that system



I couldn't care less about the system. I don't care about the official coaching record (give him his interim wins).


I'm using those numbers to try to evaluate what we saw from the team this year and since the coaching change.

I'm just telling you that in terms of our goals for the future, the only impressive win has been beating a good Auburn team. Running the ball against a bunch of bad run defenses with coaches that won't be back next year are plenty of fun during the games, but they don't show much in the way of making progress toward the goal of getting back to Atlanta.


Not sure why that gets you and others so worked up.
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:50 pm to
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I am bored I want to check CLM record vs ranked opponents now



Great.

It will be interesting to compare since Miles was fired. I'm guessing they are comparable, for the record.
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 12/21/17 at 1:27 pm to
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I don't recall people having to jump through mental hoops to prop up Les' record to the extent of tallying his record against "opponents who were ranked when we played them"



I have seen posters claim certain facts over the years and one being CLM record vs ranked opponents. I just checked LSU sports.net and his record is 42-23. He didn't lose wins for teams that fell out of the top 25. CEO should be judged by the same criteria...I am not pushing the goalposts here am trying to keep them the same.

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if you don't have a bias you're trying to push




all i am trying to do is maintain consistency...compare apples to apples and no cherry picking stats.
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 12/21/17 at 1:29 pm to
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I'm just telling you that in terms of our goals for the future, the only impressive win has been beating a good Auburn team.


with the exception of Bama what other opportunities have we had for an "impressive" win? Louisville?
Posted by TigahJay
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Posted on 12/21/17 at 1:31 pm to
Why is this thread still going...

I don’t think some of you O fanboys understand that most “O haters” aren’t arguing him vs Les. Les getting fired was more than overdue. Most people’s gripe was that Alleva didn’t conduct a search and instead settled for our Ole Miss castoff Dline coach. This is LSU, we could’ve done much better. LSU should NEVER lose to Troy or get blown out by Miss State.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
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Posted on 12/21/17 at 1:40 pm to
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I don’t think some of you O fanboys understand that most “O haters” aren’t arguing him vs Les. Les getting fired was more than overdue.


This just shows how bad of a choice O was. When compared to the coach that everyone agrees should have been fired, O pales in comparison.
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 12/21/17 at 1:42 pm to
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Why is this thread still going...


because people keep posting duh

quote:

Most people’s gripe was that Alleva didn’t conduct a search


Who were your top 2 candidates?


Posted by BeeFense5
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Posted on 12/21/17 at 1:44 pm to
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This just shows how bad of a choice O was. When compared to the coach that everyone agrees should have been fired, O pales in comparison.


The problem for some of them is that I actually do think they realize O was a horrible hire but they are trying every way imaginable to justify that he is a better coach than the previous one because they irrationally hated him so much.

It is a total mental shell game that they are constantly moving the argument around and hoping to uncover a better result.
Posted by LSU Groupee
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 12/21/17 at 1:46 pm to
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t will be interesting to compare since Miles was fire





It's funny shite to see these guys seek to compare O to a coach we fired as if the two being close in something is a positive statement about O.

We ended up third in the SEC west and 17th in the final playoff poll. If anyone finds that satisfying or acceptable for LSU football, they should have been satisfied for the last five years because that's what we have had.

I guess I have this whole firing and hiring process wrong. I thought the idea was to do better and not the same.
Posted by BeeFense5
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Posted on 12/21/17 at 1:47 pm to
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I guess I have this whole firing and hiring process wrong. I thought the idea was to do better and not the same.


Yeah but even though Canada's offense scored less than Miles' offense, they moved around on the line of scrimmage. AMAZING
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 12/21/17 at 1:52 pm to
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they irrationally hated him so much.


Only an irrational person would say this...it would be like me saying "people irrationally hate hiring O"...no they have plenty of good reasons to hate the hire.

Posted by BeeFense5
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Posted on 12/21/17 at 1:54 pm to
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Only an irrational person would say this


Not considering you are one of those who said you hated the man because he lost a home game right after two major hurricanes hit the state.

Then not giving any credit to him turning it around a going on a run with no bye weeks all the way to the SEC Championship game.

That honestly is a huge litmus test for irrationality.
Posted by dukke v
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Posted on 12/21/17 at 1:56 pm to
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It is merely pointing out that the wins don't necessarily tell us all that much because they came against teams that were not good.



Ok how many teams did Oklahoma beat that were THAT GOOD..........

It works both ways dipshit.. I can look at EVERY teams schedule and point out how bad the teams they beat were...........


GFY..................
Posted by dukke v
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Posted on 12/21/17 at 1:59 pm to
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I'm guessing his point is something along the lines of we mostly beat bad teams and mostly lose to good teams. Is that ok with you?



Oh I see... YOU want what Saban is doing At Bama....Right????

Gee so does EVERY OTHER PROGRAM...

I hate LSU HOMERS................
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