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re: Looks like Troy will have an 11 win season
Posted on 12/17/17 at 12:41 pm to Lonnie4LSU
Posted on 12/17/17 at 12:41 pm to Lonnie4LSU
Well, it isn't relevant any longer. Lsu is not the same team at all that played troy. They have players that have healed, came off suspension, and gained experience. But, hey if it makes you feel better, you go ahead and focus on that loss.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 12:47 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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It was making me ill having to listen to the announcers continually talk about Troy beating up on LSU.
Well it was A HUGE win for that program.. I am over it... Looks like you aren't..........
Posted on 12/17/17 at 12:56 pm to LNCHBOX
This isn't the 80's/90's anymore
Posted on 12/17/17 at 2:06 pm to luciouslou
Jesus I thought this stupid fricking thread would finally die.
But since it won’t, here is something for you sycophants to chew on. It doesn’t fricking matter if Troy was co Champs of the fricking Sun Belt. They are Troy, and should never beat LSU, ever.
In 2007, Appalachian State shook the college football world by beating the University of Michigan. It was and is to this day considered one of the biggest upsets in college football history.
Did anyone give a shite that App State had won back to back national championships in the FCS and would win a third in a row that very season?? No, because the two programs are so far apart from each other in talent, resources, history, and prestige that it simply isn’t something that is considered at all excusable.
But App State is FCS and Troy is at least an FBS team right?? The two programs aren’t comparable right?
Let me put it this way. The differences between the Troy and App State programs are dwarfed by the differences between the LSU and Troy programs. Or at least they should be. Care to disagree?
The most troubling aspect of the loss for Michigan fans wasn’t just the game itself, it was what it meant going forward.
Michigan “turned it around” in 2007, winning eight straight to finish the season 9-4 and ranked 18/19.
But that was the beginning of a historic drought for the Michigan program, where they would finish unranked six of next seven seasons, with one anomalous top 10 finish in the middle of that stretch.
Is LSU doomed to follow in Michigan’s footsteps? Of course not. But it is worth considering. And “finishing strong” against a historically weak schedule down the stretch for LSU doesn’t mean our Tigers have solved the issues that made such a significant loss possible, just like the eight game win streak by Michigan didn’t mean they had either.
I am not one to post about Troy ad nauseum like many of the O skeptics are. In fact, the MSU loss troubled me more. At least we showed some fight back against Troy, while we completely laid down in Starkville.
But the constant pointing to Troy’s record to attempt to minimize what such a loss means to a program like LSU is nothing more than blind and simple minded deflecting by those that refuse to acknowledge valid concerns going forward.
But since it won’t, here is something for you sycophants to chew on. It doesn’t fricking matter if Troy was co Champs of the fricking Sun Belt. They are Troy, and should never beat LSU, ever.
In 2007, Appalachian State shook the college football world by beating the University of Michigan. It was and is to this day considered one of the biggest upsets in college football history.
Did anyone give a shite that App State had won back to back national championships in the FCS and would win a third in a row that very season?? No, because the two programs are so far apart from each other in talent, resources, history, and prestige that it simply isn’t something that is considered at all excusable.
But App State is FCS and Troy is at least an FBS team right?? The two programs aren’t comparable right?
Let me put it this way. The differences between the Troy and App State programs are dwarfed by the differences between the LSU and Troy programs. Or at least they should be. Care to disagree?
The most troubling aspect of the loss for Michigan fans wasn’t just the game itself, it was what it meant going forward.
Michigan “turned it around” in 2007, winning eight straight to finish the season 9-4 and ranked 18/19.
But that was the beginning of a historic drought for the Michigan program, where they would finish unranked six of next seven seasons, with one anomalous top 10 finish in the middle of that stretch.
Is LSU doomed to follow in Michigan’s footsteps? Of course not. But it is worth considering. And “finishing strong” against a historically weak schedule down the stretch for LSU doesn’t mean our Tigers have solved the issues that made such a significant loss possible, just like the eight game win streak by Michigan didn’t mean they had either.
I am not one to post about Troy ad nauseum like many of the O skeptics are. In fact, the MSU loss troubled me more. At least we showed some fight back against Troy, while we completely laid down in Starkville.
But the constant pointing to Troy’s record to attempt to minimize what such a loss means to a program like LSU is nothing more than blind and simple minded deflecting by those that refuse to acknowledge valid concerns going forward.
This post was edited on 12/17/17 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 12/17/17 at 2:09 pm to Tiger Voodoo
quote:Well if LSU was the same team of the 90's I would disgree....
They are Troy, and should never beat LSU, ever.
Troy beating LSU now with the amount on LSU is different. LSU should not lose to a team like Troy based purely on a talent perspective. People keep bringing up Saban and his two losses but compare the talent of LSU in 2000 and the talent of Alabama in 2005. Completely different vs how they are now, yes a good Sun Belt team can beat a bad P5 team but a good P5 team should not lose to a good Sun Belt team.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 2:24 pm to tduecen
Sure. Of course I’m talking about the LSU program as it we have known it since the turn of the century.
As it had been, a loss to a Sun Belt team, even a good one, was inexcusable
And that is the question. Are we not that program anymore? If not, losses like that aren’t only understandable, they may actually become a more regular occurence.
As it had been, a loss to a Sun Belt team, even a good one, was inexcusable
And that is the question. Are we not that program anymore? If not, losses like that aren’t only understandable, they may actually become a more regular occurence.
This post was edited on 12/17/17 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 12/17/17 at 6:01 pm to Tiger Voodoo
Troy would finish in the middle of most power 5 conferences this year. The idea they could beat a talented but not dominant LSU team is really not a stretch in retrospect. Hell, they almost beat Clemson last year.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 6:04 pm to droliver
quote:So you think Troy is better than Kentucky, Vanderbilt (they would be better,) Tennessee, Arkansas, Ole Miss, and Florida to finish in the middle of the SEC
Troy would finish in the middle of most power 5 conferences this year.
quote:last year = this year....
they almost beat Clemson last year.
quote:Yet it is
The idea they could beat a talented but not dominant LSU team is really not a stretch in retrospect.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 6:07 pm to tduecen
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So you think Troy is better than Kentucky, Vanderbilt (they would be better,) Tennessee, Arkansas, Ole Miss, and Florida to finish in the middle of the SEC
Troy could certainly beat all of those teams. It's football so who knows what would happen on the field.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 6:08 pm to droliver
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he idea they could beat a talented but not dominant LSU team is really not a stretch in retrospect
It wasn't a stretch at the time. I thought there was a very decent chance that they'd beat us.
We were decimated on both lines.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 6:24 pm to Tiger Voodoo
quote:Your gloom and doom is touching and a bit overly dramatic.
But that was the beginning of a historic drought for the Michigan program, where they would finish unranked six of next seven seasons, with one anomalous top 10 finish in the middle of that stretch.
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But the constant pointing to Troy’s record to attempt to minimize what such a loss means to a program like LSU is nothing more than blind and simple minded deflecting by those that refuse to acknowledge valid concerns going forward.
You think Troy could beat us now? That's all I want to know.
Cuz what happened months ago can't be changed. Troy earned it. We were flat and had a number of issues that kept us from winning.
The loss is not a complete condemnation of CEO or his leadership as some might say.
It was horrible in every way possible but it doesn't define this program and for you to suggest that....well....fk you is my only response.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 6:49 pm to RedTigerRulz
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Your gloom and doom is touching and a bit overly dramatic.
Gloom and doom? It’s overly dramatic to point out that following that season Michigan finished unranked six of the next seven seasons?
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You think Troy could beat us now? That's all I want to know.
I wouldn’t think they would, but I didn’t think so back then either, so what does that prove?
Reading through this thread many here think Troy is some underrated juggernaut because they won 11 games so is it that much of a stretch to think they could beat us now?
Are they comparable to a good middle of the pack SEC team or not?
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We were flat and had a number of issues that kept us from winning
Agreed. Including coaching, preparation, motivation, and organization, among others.
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The loss is not a complete condemnation of CEO or his leadership as some might say.
I never said it was. But it certainly showed some things to be concerned about.
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was horrible in every way possible but it doesn't define this program and for you to suggest that....well....fk you is my only response.
Perhaps you missed the part where I said LSU certainly isn’t doomed to repeat Michigan’s fate.
But for you to suggest that it wasn’t a performance that raises very real concerns going forward....well.....I disagree is my only response
This post was edited on 12/17/17 at 6:55 pm
Posted on 12/17/17 at 6:58 pm to Nomojeaux
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Yeah, those ranking determine how good a player actually turns out to be. Good god.
While not perfect , they are mostly accurate. Outside of Clemson, which still recruits at a top 15 level, Alabama Ohio st and Florida st all recruit at a top 5 level.
recruiting rankings matter*
*except for Otards who blindly believe troys starters are more talented than LSUs backups without any proof to believe so.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 7:10 pm to BayouBengals03
quote:Outside of Kentucky and Vanderbilt the rest would be favored and I would expect them to win.... I would expect LSU to win by 20+ as LSU should not lose to a team like Troy
Troy could certainly beat all of those teams. It's football so who knows what would happen on the field.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 7:55 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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When did this thought process come about that seems to be saying having highly ranked classes doesn’t mean anything?
During the miles era
Posted on 12/17/17 at 10:20 pm to dukke v
“ looks like you aren’t “
The day I get over losing to a Sunbelt team, is the day I will know that LSU football has become irrelevant again.
The day I get over losing to a Sunbelt team, is the day I will know that LSU football has become irrelevant again.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 10:35 pm to Nomojeaux
“ well, it isn’t relevant any longer”
Without that L LSU probably ranks in the top 10 nationally at this point in time and would have been ranked higher in the final playoff poll,
That seems pretty dang relevant to me, but if you want to pretend like it didn’t really take place this season or that it had no negative impact upon this season, knock your self out.
Without that L LSU probably ranks in the top 10 nationally at this point in time and would have been ranked higher in the final playoff poll,
That seems pretty dang relevant to me, but if you want to pretend like it didn’t really take place this season or that it had no negative impact upon this season, knock your self out.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 11:08 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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That seems pretty dang relevant to me, but if you want to pretend like it didn’t really take place this season or that it had no negative impact upon this season, knock your self out.
Its not relevant now....the season is over. Move on hoss, we gotta a bowl game to focus on.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 11:38 pm to RedTigerRulz
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the season is over
Yeah, it was over for any SEC or national acclaim when Mississippi State and Troy butt fricked us five games into the season.
We get to celebrate a third place finish in the west and play another meaningless bowl game. We coming!
Posted on 12/17/17 at 11:43 pm to LSU Groupee
Neither of those games determined whether we won the west or not. After the Troy game we still controlled our own destiny in the SEC.
This post was edited on 12/17/17 at 11:44 pm
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