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re: Look at our Class of 2020 Ranking now!!!
Posted on 4/28/19 at 9:13 am to genuineLSUtiger
Posted on 4/28/19 at 9:13 am to genuineLSUtiger
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Another high strung critical coonass who thinks he has all of the answers.
I'm one of the least critical people who post frequently here. But when I don't have sunshine to blow up your butt, people like yourself call me "critical".
What answer did I claim to provide? Did I not respond to people who think they've been given the green light to bash anyone who dared to doubt Orgeron?
if you can't accept a dissenting opinion, without calling that person a "critical coonass", then maybe conversation doesn't suit you.
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Posted on 4/28/19 at 9:18 am to Metaloctopus
Think you got it all figured out huh pal?
Posted on 4/28/19 at 9:20 am to MSMHater
...and yeah dude, it doesn't mean a thang!
I am, as always, optimistic we will get them to sign, BUT, that don't chit either!
We will just have to wait and see if an 18 year old boy's word means the same this season as last!
Posted on 4/28/19 at 9:22 am to Metaloctopus
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That's all fantastic. Do you know that he'll continue to recruit those areas well? We've had California kids before, just not many.
It's not just about getting California kids and yes I think success breeds success and with those California connections LSU will continue to be successful there and other places. It's not just California either.
You don't want coach O to get any recognition for being successful at recruiting but if it was something negative you'd fall all over yourself to pin the blame on him. Of course you won't see the massive amount of hypocrisy in that but go ahead.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 9:25 am to dgnx6
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You are right, LSU never signed a kid from Cali
Signing a kid every now and then is completely different from signing several kids in one class. Sorry you can't do basic math.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 9:28 am to Tiger Ree
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LSU's two leading recruiters are Dennis Johnson (Meatball) at #5 in the nation and Bill Busch at #7. Can you explain how both of these coaches or "key figures" have been kept together for a long time?
Ree, you are sincerely the most annoying person on here, and you'd have nothing to say if it weren't for the copy and paste function. I say that with bas much respect as I can muster up for you.
Guys like Corey Raymond and Steve Ensminger have been there for a long while, and are very good recruiters. LSU has always had high end recruiters, like Larry Porter, Frank Wilson, Bradley Dale Peveto, and so on.
Recruiting hasn't been the issue. When Orgeron took over it dipped, and now it's back up, and people like you want to give ALL the credit to a few out of state recruits, as if it's NEVER happened before.
I asked how he was doing anything differently. Recruiting out of state is not different. I will say that we're LANDING (so far) more out of state guys than usual, but my question is how do we attribute this success to Orgeron doing anything other than what he always does, and his assistants are doing most of the work? If this kind of thing becomes consistent, and not just a wave, then I'll say yeah, that's significant, and certainly different.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 9:38 am to bencoleman
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It's not just about getting California kids and yes I think success breeds success and with those California connections LSU will continue to be successful there and other places. It's not just California either.
You don't want coach O to get any recognition for being successful at recruiting but if it was something negative you'd fall all over yourself to pin the blame on him. Of course you won't see the massive amount of hypocrisy in that but go ahead.
Again, I didn't say anything about not wanting him to get recognition. It's simply that we've had great recruiting classes with the last regime, and yet were left wanting with the on-field results. So how can Orgeron doubters be proven wrong over a recruiting cycle that is still very early? And why do people make it sound as if he does it all by himself?
If he wins, as I said earlier, I'll be elated. I don't want to watch this thing burn in order for him to be fired. The last couple of years of the Miles era was painful in how you could just see we were stuck in neutral, and when even Alleva wanted to fire him, the Miles lovers caused F king to forgo all reason and put us through another offseason of turmoil, followed by the worst coaching transition in the history of LSU athletics.
So I'd much rather Orgeron just wins. But I AM a doubter of his, and I don't think I owe anyone an apology for being such, given his track record, and I don't consider it reasonable to act like all doubt is gone, because of a good couple of months. Know what I mean? I do hope the recruiting success continues, because it's been nice. I'd also like to see the talent live up to the hype for the first time in 8 years.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 9:40 am to genuineLSUtiger
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Think you got it all figured out huh pal?
No, I don't. Do you?
That's kind of the point here. What do we know about how good we are, in April?
Posted on 4/28/19 at 9:40 am to Metaloctopus
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asked how he was doing anything differently. Recruiting out of state is not different. I will say that we're LANDING (so far) more out of state guys than usual, but my question is how do we attribute this success to Orgeron doing anything other than what he always does, and his assistants are doing most of the work?
So you don't understand that coach O has connections all over California from his time there. You don't understand shifting focus from recruiting locally to recruiting nationally. You don't understand a head coach sending people into the field to recruit.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 9:46 am to nicksaur3
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Boy those O haters are MADDDD
You people are weird. No one is rooting against O or LSU
There are just some people with the ability to think honestly and critically, and determine when LSU does something (like the search and hiring process) in a less than ideal way.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 9:47 am to Metaloctopus
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And why do people make it sound as if he does it all by himself
Like it or not coach O is the head coach. His name is always going to be the first name up. Getting bent out of shape because he seems to be getting the credit when things are going good is just petty as hell.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 9:49 am to bencoleman
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So you don't understand that coach O has connections all over California from his time there. You don't understand shifting focus from recruiting locally to recruiting nationally. You don't understand a head coach sending people into the field to recruit.
That's just it. He's ALWAYS had those connections, and every coach sends their assistants out to recruit. Sometimes you get who you want, and sometimes you don't. What gives you the idea that he has shifted focus away from Louisiana? Could it be that they just identified more out of state players who they wanted to recruit this year? Has he turned his back on local prospects? I don't think he has.
I think the staff is doing an excellent job recruiting right now, regardless. But it's early, and these guys have to put the talent in the best position to win. That's something that remains to be seen if it will change at all.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 9:51 am to Tigerfan56
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There are just some people with the ability to think honestly and critically, and determine when LSU does something (like the search and hiring process) in a less than ideal way
So you think that you and people that think like you are that much smarter. You think everyone else was just fine with how things played out.
No everyone else got over it and moved on. The others have bitched, cried, and harped on shite that they couldn't do a damned thing about for the last 3 years.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 9:52 am to tadelatt
It’s tough to get fired up about April rankings when LSU gets consistently fricked right before signing day.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 9:53 am to Tigerfan56
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There are just some people with the ability to think honestly and critically, and determine when LSU does something (like the search and hiring process) in a less than ideal way.
People who think critically and honestly don't constantly trash the guy who got hired and continue to discount the positives going forward. That's called obstinance and indignation. Those may be attractive qualities to some on the rant, but they aren't in the real world.
This post was edited on 4/28/19 at 9:56 am
Posted on 4/28/19 at 9:54 am to bencoleman
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Getting bent out of shape because he seems to be getting the credit when things are going good is just petty as hell.
False. What is petty is attaching his name with every recruit and starting threads, are flooding other people's threads to say "suck it, O haters".
I'm not sure why you seem either incapable or totally unwilling to get my point. The only reason I started this conversation about Orgeron, was in response to yet another person who took this bit of good news as an opportunity to bash doubters and call them "haters", before any of these players have played a down.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 9:59 am to twindavinci
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we dind't sign anybody
NOPE..."we dind't"
We also dind't learn to spell!
Posted on 4/28/19 at 10:07 am to tigerpimpbot
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It’s tough to get fired up about April rankings when LSU gets consistently fricked right before signing day.
I believe we signed nearly every committed recruit last cycle that was committed by summer. There were a couple de-commits but they were lower ranked kids we let move on. I could be wrong, but that's my recollection. There were some uncommitted players we were optimistic about that didn't commit and a surprise commit with Ika popping late.
With the Cali kids, who knows? Ricks seems solid though. I feel better about 2020 than I have in the team in quite a while and if the season pans out I suspect our 2020 signing class will be one of our best. Clemson may still be tops, but they are the "it" team right now.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 10:09 am to tadelatt
I've never once questioned O as a recruiter. In fact I don't believe anyone questioned that. It was the rest of the qualities of a head coach that was questioned.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 10:25 am to HoustonGumbeauxGuy
Zero chance we finish first. Clemson will. With that Said this class will be able to compete for playoffs spot
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