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re: Listing of the Pros and Cons of Les Miles as HC
Posted on 11/2/10 at 2:15 pm to RealityTiger
Posted on 11/2/10 at 2:15 pm to RealityTiger
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Could be debated. Case in point: Cap One Bowl last year. Of course there was the field, but it was the same for Penn State too.
I was just trying to find 3 positives
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Posted on 11/2/10 at 2:16 pm to slackster
I'd add "makes question assitant hires"
Examples:
Gary Crowton
Mallveto
Billy G. to this point
Examples:
Gary Crowton
Mallveto
Billy G. to this point
Posted on 11/2/10 at 2:16 pm to CptBengal
He won the West twice in the last 5 years. That means he has 3 years of slack. It is an average dumbass. Same with the SEC Championships. Most fans would agree those numbers are attainable under Miles. If you think an LSU coach should do better, that is fine. However the numbers are reasonable.
Posted on 11/2/10 at 2:16 pm to josh336
Posted on 11/2/10 at 2:19 pm to RealityTiger
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Could be debated.
What exactly couldn't be debated?
Posted on 11/2/10 at 2:19 pm to bfniii
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it's amazing that some people think a "moron" can win as much as miles has in the toughest conference. the sec has some of the best coaching yet, lsu can just throw some talented, poorly coached players on the field and continue to live in the top 3rd of the conference.
makes sense.
7-1 this year with a offense ranked in the 100's.
Do you not wonder if LSU was ranked in just the top 50 offensively if they would be unbeaten? Am I mistaken or was the offense just as bad last year. CLM is not good at pinpointing a problem and solving it in a timely fashion.
This post was edited on 11/2/10 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 11/2/10 at 2:19 pm to slackster
Clock Management belongs at the top of this list
Posted on 11/2/10 at 2:23 pm to Topwater Trout
quote:this is sophistry. in his time at lsu, his staff has been exceptional in recruiting.
Recruiting-gets too much credit for recruting a state rich in talent and facilites are 2nd to none. Everyone wants to say what did Hallman and Dinardo do etc....well LSU was not a powerhouse and did not have the facilities it has now.
quote:name the coach who does not have these problems or some equivalent
Clock management
3. Gameday coaching
quote:who cares about this? clearly, it's not affecting recruiting or the outcome of games.
Interviews
quote:if you were at every practice and meeting, then this criticism might have some validity
Player loyalty
quote:no coach is perfect when it comes to working with, hiring, firing assistants.
Indecisive
Posted on 11/2/10 at 2:28 pm to Topwater Trout
quote:the problem with this kind of analysis is that it completely ignores what's going on in the rest of the college football world. every team goes through these kinds of phases. for some reason, it's unacceptable when miles does. people expect lsu to have no hiccups, no speedbumps, no interruption in greatness. is that realistic? what team is this true of?
Do you not wonder if LSU was ranked in just the top 50 offensively if they would be unbeaten? Am I mistaken or was the offense just as bad last year. CLM is not good at pinpointing a problem and solving it in a timely fashion.
people want lsu to dominate the best conference. if lsu did what fans want, the sec would become the equivalent of the pac 10 - top heavy.
Posted on 11/2/10 at 2:29 pm to slackster
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He won the West twice in the last 5 years. That means he has 3 years of slack. It is an average dumbass.
Lets look at how averages work. They average PRIOR events. They absolutly DO NOT tell of FUTURE performances. But keep with the name calling, it will make your argument look far more correct
BTW, since those 2 SECW titles came in 2005/2007 and we haven't seen anything close since (again probably not this year either), how do you "project" a negative trend into a positive realm?
quote:
Most fans would agree those numbers are attainable under Miles.
That's not what you said. You said "realistically expect" to do those things every so many years....Not the same thing as past averages. The fact is miles has been trending DOWN since the MNC game, not up.
Posted on 11/2/10 at 2:29 pm to bfniii
I listed my pros and cons. Its not up for debate. But thanks for trying. I came on this site to and have some good LSU conversation but one of the posi tigers (gray tiger)really got on my nerves with his repeated @ssinine and childish retort. So now I will considered a negatiger for stating obvious flaws with the coaching staff.
Posted on 11/2/10 at 2:33 pm to bfniii
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the problem with this kind of analysis is that it completely ignores what's going on in the rest of the college football world. every team goes through these kinds of phases
I only care what LSU does and the last 2-3 years they have put a sub par product on the field and don't even reference a w-l record it is old if you can't as a fan see glaring issue with how this team plays and executes then that is your problem.
quote:
True LSU fans want lsu to dominate the best conference.
FIFY
Posted on 11/2/10 at 2:38 pm to Topwater Trout
there definitely are things that need to be improved on. the question is whether miles will actually accomplish them. he has shown the propensity to make moves when something isn't working. they don't always work out but, that's the case with any coach.
unless lsu starts putting up playstation numbers on offense the rest of the season, i think crowton needs to move on. he's just not working out. 4 seasons and the offense is not where it should be. unfortunately, bama, ark and ole miss are at least solid on defense so i don't see us getting any better this season.
unless lsu starts putting up playstation numbers on offense the rest of the season, i think crowton needs to move on. he's just not working out. 4 seasons and the offense is not where it should be. unfortunately, bama, ark and ole miss are at least solid on defense so i don't see us getting any better this season.
Posted on 11/2/10 at 2:41 pm to Topwater Trout
quote:you're missing the point. if you look around the college football landscape long enough, you realize that the complaints from negatigers are not totally realistic. what negatigers want is not how sec football (over the last 3 decades) operates in reality.
I only care what LSU does
Posted on 11/2/10 at 2:45 pm to slackster
If you are looking for a perfect program every year, it's not going to happen. No one has that sort of advantage these days. It has been a long time since I played organized football, but I still remember my days in high school and college. When you have 11 folks on the field that have to click together to make a play happen successfully, it is not going to happen each and every snap. Moreover, there are going to be some opponents who are simply going to be better. It may not be a spectacular team but it is still 7-1 and in the top 12 in the country. There are a lot of other teams out there that are not.
Posted on 11/2/10 at 2:53 pm to bfniii
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you're missing the point. if you look around the college football landscape long enough, you realize that the complaints from negatigers are not totally realistic. what negatigers want is not how sec football (over the last 3 decades) operates in reality.
I agree that programs go thru transitions and ups and downs but we have 2 qbs playing in their 3rd year I see teams playing every saturday that sometimes may not even have a 3 star recruit and a qb leading them that is not what anyone would consider a talented athlete yet they drive the ball and score. Whether that be because of the offensive scheme, coaching or playcalling I do not know the answer but what I do know is the product that I as an LSU fan have watched for the last 3 years has not improved or shown signs of improvememnt. So to me there are 3 possibilities for a terrible offense.
1. No identity (GC and CLM both involved in offense)
2. No leadership and consistency on the offensive side of the ball.
3. The recruited players are overated or they are not coached to their abilities(since I see teams with no talent putting points on the board and amassing 300+ yards each week I believe its coaching and not recruits that are busts.)
I still can't comprehend the positiger vs negatiger monikers.
I want changes to be made to improve the team i am a fan of and I am a negatiger
Posted on 11/2/10 at 2:56 pm to CptBengal
quote:
Lets look at how averages work. They average PRIOR events. They absolutly DO NOT tell of FUTURE performances. But keep with the name calling, it will make your argument look far more correct
You are right. They do not predict future performances. So, what are you willing to bet that LSU does NOT win the West again in the next 3 years.
I believe LSU's SEC record is trending up, not down. 3-5, 5-3, 4-1 this year, with a realistic chance at 7-1. that is no where near a negative trend. In fact, it would reason that LSU is trending to win the SECW next year. However, why let logic get in the way of this argument.
BTW, weren't you the one who said to "GTFO"?
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The fact is miles has been trending DOWN since the MNC game, not up.
Once again, you misuse the word "trend". Miles has had one down season, followed by an up season and another up season this year. In fact, LSU under Les Miles has only had one season where the record was worse than it was the year before, and that was coming off of a NC. So it can be deduced that LSU has trended up under Les Miles.
Posted on 11/2/10 at 3:00 pm to slackster
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n, followed by an up season and another up season this year.
lets wait and see where we come out in the SECW at the end of this season. Unfortunately I do not feel we will be any better than 3rd in the West.
quote:
LSU under Les Miles has only had one season where the record was worse than it was the year before
BTW, you talked about SECW and SECC, NOT overall season numbers. I am ONLY focusing on what you laid down, which only deals with the SEC. Unfortunately, we appear to be in place to finish out of the top 2 in the SECW yet again.....not encouraging for your "realistic" expectations.
Posted on 11/2/10 at 3:01 pm to Topwater Trout
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I only care what LSU does and the last 2-3 years they have put a sub par product on the field and don't even reference a w-l record it is old if you can't as a fan see glaring issue with how this team plays and executes then that is your problem.
I think your problem is that you are far to worried with the process and not concerned enough with the results. Do you realize that the team that goes to Atlanta for the SEC CG is the team that won the most games in the conference? Not the team that had the best processes or the best execution, but the team with the best W/L record. This is a results ONLY business.
2-3 years is a little stong. 3 years ago today LSU was in the middle of a NC run. If you are saying this year is subpar, perhaps you can explain to Alabama that they too are having a subpar year since they are tied with LSU in the West and both teams are 7-1.
Posted on 11/2/10 at 3:02 pm to slackster
Wouldn't 4th quarter fireworks be a CON?
Edit: It's on both, must have missed that.
Edit: It's on both, must have missed that.
This post was edited on 11/2/10 at 3:06 pm
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