re: Let's revisit Breaux's fair/foul ball in the 9th

Yeah, I still don't get this..it COULD have been fair, but one replay shows it appears it COULD have been foul. That's the point, no "conclusive video evidence" because there is not direct camera shot down the line. Secondly, the 3rd base umpire stood ON THE LINE and made the call...he had the best angle of any one and said foul. It was a bs reversal call, imho

Got no problem with umps reviewing plays ... but they need to have cameras directly down the line if that's the case.

NCAA rule book

Fair ball rule 6d

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d. While on or over fair ground, touches an umpire or player;

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Just did it, and honestly, how in the world can you say it's "clearly fair"?

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Because it clearly is fair. Have you looked at the screen capture posted earlier? That's from the video. Look at where the player is when the ball hits his glove. He is CLEARLY in fair territory, and the glove is CLEARLY in fair territory.

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It's impossible to tell

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No, no it isn't and the umps got it right. The commentators also understand that the umps got it right.

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That's exactly why one camera shows it fair, one shows it foul, but neither is definitive because of the angle.

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Both camera angles show it is fair, not just 1. The second camera angle is definitive.

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But "clearly fair"? That's literally impossible to determine

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You must not know what literally means. Because it was literally "clearly fair."

That screen shot was taken from the source of this gif. I'm going to see if I can disprove it a little later using some lines and shite.

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That screen shot was taken from the source of this gif. I'm going to see if I can disprove it a little later using some lines and shite.

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Fair enough, just don't have crooked lines.

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Because it clearly is fair.

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You can keep saying this over and over again, but that doesn't make it a fact, fwiw.

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Have you looked at the screen capture posted earlier?

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Yes

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Look at where the player is when the ball hits his glove. He is CLEARLY in fair territory, and the glove is CLEARLY in fair territory.

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That's just not true. But keep saying it if it makes you feel better. From that angle, it appears that way. But you would have to imagine the camera panning around.

Not only that, but from that still shot, you cannot tell if the ball is actually in his glove, 1 inch away, 6 inches away, etc. It's impossible to tell from a 2 dimensional picture from that angle.

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Both camera angles show it is fair, not just 1. The second camera angle is definitive.

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That's just not true. Not trying to be a jerk, it's literally impossible to tell with absolute certainty unless you have an shot directly down the line, and can establish the exact moment that the ball contacts the glove. To my knowledge, there is no view like that. Based on the angles shown, you can surmise, but can't be certain.

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You must not know what literally means. Because it was literally "clearly fair."

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Keep telling yourself that over and over again. Doesn't make you right.

Bottom line on this.
If you don't have a camera down each foul line there is no fair way to make this call. Both of the camera angles used to call this play were skewed. One the view is foreshortened and the other is elongated.
The ump that made the original call was right on top of this play. End of story.

Breaux touched the ball while the ball was in fair territory. It makes the angle of the camera a nonfactor. I keep seeing people post that the ball "was going to land foul".

Edited: If Breaux touches the ball over fair territory, even if the ball would have landed foul doesnt matter.

Is the argument that he touched the ball in foul territory? Or is the argument that the ball would have landed foul?

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he's being pretty rational

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We'll agree to disagree. He said you need a 3 dimensional picture to see when the ball hit the glove. No, just no. You can watch the video and at the 3 minute mark, you can see when the ball hits the glove. I'll post the 3 screen captures I have where you can see right before the ball hits the glove, when it hits the glove, and when it ricochets off the glove. I didn't use a 3 dimensional camera or a different angle either. He's being a homer, plain and simple.

Right before the ball hit the glove:

Right as the ball hits the glove:

Right after it hits the glove:


And that right there, is a fair ball.