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re: Lester Earl ,Josh336,Honkus and Tiger Ryno are not going to like this pitch count
Posted on 4/19/25 at 6:25 am to supersaints9
Posted on 4/19/25 at 6:25 am to supersaints9
Surprised he didn't come out there for the 7th
This post was edited on 4/19/25 at 6:26 am
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Posted on 4/19/25 at 6:46 am to vidtiger23
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Apples to orange comparison. MLB isn’t college baseball
Well my friend, it used to be a common occurrence in MLB for player to run his pitch count that high.
Now it hasn’t happened in the last 72,000 times a major league pitcher has started a baseball game.
And you think Jay Johnson somehow isn’t the anomaly here. Lol, ok.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 8:35 am to Lester Earl
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r tHeY lEsS kNowLeDGAble tHaN a NaTiOnal cHaMpiOnShip cOaCh!?!?!??
Classic Lester Earl ladies and gentlemen
Posted on 4/19/25 at 8:52 am to supersaints9
As long as you understand how ignorant it sounds when you ask “are you a coach or doctor” when no other coach is actually allowing his pitcher to throw that many pitches in a game lol. Dumbass
Posted on 4/19/25 at 9:25 am to Lester Earl
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Now it hasn’t happened in the last 72,000 times a major league pitcher has started a baseball game. And you think Jay Johnson somehow isn’t the anomaly here. Lol, ok.
Simply due to the fact that every MLB team has a plethora of guys throwing 100+ in their bullpen it seems. Statistics show to get the starter out as soon as possible.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 9:35 am to Lester Earl
Nolan Ryan once threw 235 pitches in one game 
He pitched for 20 more years after that too.
He pitched for 20 more years after that too.
This post was edited on 4/19/25 at 9:36 am
Posted on 4/19/25 at 9:38 am to Lester Earl
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There hasn’t been an MLB team use a pitcher for that many pitches in 15yrs.
Apples and oranges.
Logan Gilbert threw 208 innings last year to lead MLB. That’s 22 more innings than have ever been thrown in the history of college baseball.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 9:55 am to vidtiger23
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Simply due to the fact that every MLB team has a plethora of guys throwing 100+ in their bullpen it seems. Statistics show to get the starter out as soon as possible.
Ya, that’s about 50% of the equation.
Some crazy truth deniers that arm care has drastically changed over the last 25yrs.
Like Paul Skenes couldn’t throw more than 107 pitches in a game last year because the bullpen is a better option. Lol.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 9:57 am to slackster
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Apples and oranges.
College kids aren’t throwing this many pitches either. There just isn’t the comprehensive, accessible data to help ignorant people understand that it doesn’t really happen.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 9:58 am to Lester Earl
MLB season is significantly longer. They throw way more pitches over the course of a season and they have less time off between starts than in college
This post was edited on 4/19/25 at 9:59 am
Posted on 4/19/25 at 10:07 am to Yeti_Chaser
You don’t actually follow Major League Baseball, cause you wouldn’t just blindly think that is a thing.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 10:07 am to Lester Earl
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College kids aren’t throwing this many pitches either. There just isn’t the comprehensive, accessible data to help ignorant people understand that it doesn’t really happen.
It doesn’t happen often for all kinds of reasons - namely the fact that most pitchers aren’t capable of going that deep and still being dominant.
However, it has happened a handful of times with major prospect. Kumar threw 131 in his no-hit game.
Quinn Mathews threw 156 in that Texas Super Regional in 2023.
135 with 7 full days between starts just isn’t the big deal you want it to be, at least not because of the pitch count. It’s notable because of the performance.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 10:11 am to slackster
When you say big deal, why do you think that I think it’s a big deal?
Posted on 4/19/25 at 10:13 am to Lester Earl
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You don’t actually follow Major League Baseball, cause you wouldn’t just blindly think that is a thing.
What’s not a thing about it? Logan Gilbert made 33 starts and pitched 208 innings last year. Thats 22 more innings than any college pitcher has ever thrown in a season. It is perfectly reasonable to expect more pitch management as a result. That plus analytics and bullpen specialist make pitching 130 innings incredibly unlikely anymore. It has nothing to do with the individual health risk that 135 pitches presents by itself.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 10:14 am to Lester Earl
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When you say big deal, why do you think that I think it’s a big deal?
You seem to think it was a poor decision to let him throw 135 a few weeks ago. Correct me if I’m wrong.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 10:17 am to slackster
Do you think 15-20 years ago they just realized that MLB pitchers have to pitch every 6th day and that the schedule is 162 games?
Oh wow. I hope you are just feeling like a bored troll on this beautiful Saturday morning. You don’t actually think this, do you
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has nothing to do with the individual health risk that 135 pitches presents by itself.
Oh wow. I hope you are just feeling like a bored troll on this beautiful Saturday morning. You don’t actually think this, do you
Posted on 4/19/25 at 10:18 am to Lester Earl
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Like Paul Skenes couldn’t throw more than 107 pitches in a game last year because the bullpen is a better option. Lol.
And yet he still threw more innings last year than he’s ever thrown in his life. Maybe the Pirates should have shut him down sooner to save his arm?
Posted on 4/19/25 at 10:22 am to vidtiger23
Don’t change the subject now.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 10:30 am to slackster
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You seem to think it was a poor decision to let him throw 135 a few weeks ago. Correct me if I’m wrong.
Yep
And do you think that I think his arm is going to suddenly fall off, or that 99.8% of college & professional coaches do not subject their pitchers to that type of work load?
You’re pretending he’s one of 3 pitchers to ever be pitching well late in a game, earning the right to keep going lol.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 10:35 am to Lester Earl
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Oh wow. I hope you are just feeling like a bored troll on this beautiful Saturday morning. You don’t actually think this, do you
I do.
15-20 years ago they started realizing the cost/benefit of a guy seeing the lineup for the 3rd time just wasn’t worth it, particularly with specialized bullpens. MLB starters averaged around 86 pitches per start in 2024, down from 97 pitches in 2010. That’s not health related, it’s statistics.
MLB themselves has blanket guidelines that say pitching with fatigue should be avoided, and they use pitch count as a simple way to measure such a thing. They suggest 120 be the max pitch count for a 19-22 with 5 days. Those guidelines are designed for the dumbest of people to follow. They don’t take into consideration any individual circumstances.
I refuse to believe going 135 pitches in a single outing with 7 full days between starts is a problem, particularly in this situation where it’s a one off.
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