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re: Les really let the program slide
Posted on 7/7/18 at 11:15 am to Tiger Voodoo
Posted on 7/7/18 at 11:15 am to Tiger Voodoo
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Obviously, this needs to repeated, yet again


Posted on 7/7/18 at 11:17 am to Pensacolatgr
Didn't you say you're on vacation this week? Are you on vacation by yourself? Because you seem to be spending the vast majority of it behind a keyboard.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 11:24 am to Pensacolatgr
“dl depth”
Are you implying that our D line/recruiting coordinator/interim coach/head coach on staff since 2015 whose main claim to fame is recruiting didn’t really do any recruiting for LSU until he became head coach and therefore holds absolutely no responsibility for what you see as a D line depth problem? I guess we are to assume that the players who left at the end of 2016 who could have at least added to our line depth are not his responsibility either?
That’s an interesting take and one I don’t support.
You need to lose your, you hate coach O BS, you try to label everyone with who doesn’t agree with your point of view. It’s not really working for you. Being of the opinion that a coach who has been heavily involved in the recruiting aspect since 2015 has to except some responsibility for that recruiting/depth issues not equate to hate. Its more college football common sense.
Are you implying that our D line/recruiting coordinator/interim coach/head coach on staff since 2015 whose main claim to fame is recruiting didn’t really do any recruiting for LSU until he became head coach and therefore holds absolutely no responsibility for what you see as a D line depth problem? I guess we are to assume that the players who left at the end of 2016 who could have at least added to our line depth are not his responsibility either?
That’s an interesting take and one I don’t support.
You need to lose your, you hate coach O BS, you try to label everyone with who doesn’t agree with your point of view. It’s not really working for you. Being of the opinion that a coach who has been heavily involved in the recruiting aspect since 2015 has to except some responsibility for that recruiting/depth issues not equate to hate. Its more college football common sense.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 11:25 am to Pensacolatgr
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I honestly think you will never be able to grasp the fact that you can have highly recruited classes and still be weak in certain areas and those areas can have a significant impact on team performance
I honestly dont think you understand this formula. Wins minus Losses. Lets spout about the trenches and DL recruiting blah blah.
Just win the damn games like the other guy used to.
And yeah 1 more thing, can O keep LSU relevant past October this yr? Can he at least do that?
This post was edited on 7/8/18 at 6:54 pm
Posted on 7/7/18 at 11:29 am to Stephen1979
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that's not how this works and you know it. Good players = Eaux's credit. Anything wrong = blame Miles and deflect as if the program was in shambles and ignore the fact that he was still winning 8/9 games a year.
I have never given Les a lot of credit for defense. The best players have mainly been defensive backs (DBU). Les was an offensive player and offensive assistant coach.
Les gets credit for Fournette, Guice and all the others on offense. He also gets credit for the offensive production under his watch - the good and the bad.
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At best it seems we could agree the program is stagnant under Eaux. I've not seen anything to suggest an elevation.
Of course we can !!! LSU always had a buttload of support staff who are already game-planning and researching tendencies, etc for next season. One of Aranda's guys is studying the NFL and the SEC opponents to see what works against certain calls and the best way to defend them. LSU has never worked the players so hard during the season that they have no legs come November. LSU has always taken lots of transfers and JUCOS to shore up deficiencies in depth and experience.
Yep, same ole stagnant mess.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 11:32 am to Tiger Ree
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LSU always had a buttload of support staff who are already game-planning and researching tendencies, etc for next season. One of Aranda's guys is studying the NFL and the SEC opponents to see what works against certain calls and the best way to defend them.
I hope this works out as well as you believe it will. Could be a game changer is so.
Eta: Forgot my quote like an idiot
This post was edited on 7/7/18 at 11:41 am
Posted on 7/7/18 at 11:36 am to danfraz
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So no where
O was coaching no where and none of those schools were hiring him
Arden Key, intern some lame Baton Rouge sports talk morning show, 2016

This post was edited on 7/7/18 at 11:37 am
Posted on 7/7/18 at 11:42 am to Tiger1988
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Can you list the primary recruiters for all those dlinemen? Where the unicorn or the who’s brother was on the team and got arrested in Cali or the fat dude that hasn’t played yet?
The unicorn was Valentine he was before Eaux's time at LSU. Or at least the first time he signed with LSU in 2014.
The dude that punched glass did not have a brother and he was the one arrested. He was a 2014 signee, Eaux was not hired until 2015 by LSU. Do you still want to know who his listed recruiter was?
The fat guy who hasn't played yet is also Valentine who is not on the team so he won't play. He was a 2014 signee, Eaux was hired by LSU in 2015.
It is really very impressive how much you keep up with LSU football and the players on the team. Kudos to you man.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 11:46 am to Tiger Ree
wl you what ,’ list he ones that Peveto recruited sand established the relationship with INCLUDING KEY.
ORGERON WAS NOT THE lead recruiter in most of that list. I fact probably a 1/3 or less.
The reason I asked about the others was because you left several off the list Miles recruited including he entire 2016 signing class.
ORGERON WAS NOT THE lead recruiter in most of that list. I fact probably a 1/3 or less.
The reason I asked about the others was because you left several off the list Miles recruited including he entire 2016 signing class.
This post was edited on 7/7/18 at 11:48 am
Posted on 7/7/18 at 11:48 am to Tiger1988
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That was competing but the team just gave up after the losses.
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those teams would have stomped the living shite out of both 2016 and last year’s teams
Before or after the Bama loss?
Arkansas No. 9 Tiger Stadium ESPN L 14–31
at No. 22 Ole Miss No. 15 CBS L 17–38
Posted on 7/7/18 at 11:50 am to Tiger Ree
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I have never given Les a lot of credit for defense.
Shocking.
Did you criticize him at all for the defense in 08?
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The best players have mainly been defensive backs (DBU).

What a ridiculous statement. You are so simple.
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He also gets credit for the offensive production under his watch - the good and the bad.
Good thing for O he’ll never be held responsible for offense at LSU I guess.
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LSU always had a buttload of support staff who are already game-planning and researching tendencies, etc for next season.
So then it was a lack of resources that led to the program “sliding” under Les? Pretty incredible he was able to do more with less, so to speak, than O has with all of these new weapons

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LSU has never worked the players so hard during the season that they have no legs come November.
LSU had no legs in September under O

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LSU has always taken lots of transfers and JUCOS to shore up deficiencies in depth and experience.
Well, we actually have, but ok.
Nothing builds championships like JUCOS and transfers

Posted on 7/7/18 at 11:51 am to Pensacolatgr
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It is honestly how most of us so called positigers think.
It’s also how most of us so-called negatigers think. 95% of the posters on this board are somewhere in the middle, with the fringe 5% yelling the loudest.
This post was edited on 7/7/18 at 11:51 am
Posted on 7/7/18 at 11:55 am to Tiger Ree
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Les gets credit for Fournette, Guice and all the others on offense. He also gets credit for the offensive production under his watch - the good and the bad.
I have a mental image of you cringing in pain as you typed that.
This post was edited on 7/7/18 at 11:56 am
Posted on 7/7/18 at 12:01 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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Ultimately, though, it still didn’t leave us so severely depleted as you’re making out.
We still had fifth year seniors in Herron, Gilmore, and LaCouture to go with veterans Key and Clark.
Then add in the four sophomores from 16 and the four true freshman.
"LSU's season-long problem - defensive depth - is taking another hit.
The 24th-ranked Tigers will play Ole Miss without rotational players Michael Divinity, at outside linebacker, and Ed Alexander, at nose tackle.
starting F-outside linebacker Corey Thompson battles lingering injuries
LSU is already without four defensive players: edge rushers Andre Anthony (ankle/foot) and Sci Martin (presumably suspended/ineligible), and defensive backs Kristian Fulton (presumably suspended/ineligible) and Ed Paris (knee - out for season).
Also, defensive back Xavier Lewis, once a rotational player at nickel, has not played in a game in nearly a month, and two defensive linemen are ineligible: freshman nose tackle Tyler Shelvin (academic redshirt) and transfer Breiden Fehoko (transfer rules).
At one point during LSU's loss at Mississippi State, Orgeron had four defensive linemen available for three D-line positions. The depth problems are preventing a deep rotation or any rotation at all.
Earlier this season, defensive end Christian LaCouture played every snap of a game. Starting defensive end Rashard Lawrence missed three of the first five games with an ankle injury, and a broken finger prevented Alexander from playing in two games.
Frank Herron missed the first six games of the year because of a presumed half-season suspension.
Senior Deondre Clark and freshman Neil Farrell rarely rotate."
Yep, no depth problems here. I don't know what people are talking about?
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But this stupid DL deficiency is nothing but an attempt to distract from the fact
Ha Ha Ha Ha !!!
Posted on 7/7/18 at 12:04 pm to Imber
Sean Payton had 4 offensive game plans for the Saints super bowl because he knew he had to change the plan each quarter. Les Miles had one offensive game plan for 4 years, and that's what caused his house of cards to fall.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 12:15 pm to Stephen1979
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Dude it's not even about just wins and losses. It's sad that you don't get it.
-Admitted meddling in offense
-botching recruiting last year in multiple ways and cases
-telling us in 2 years that he wants to run 3 different types of offenses
-costing the university money bc he wouldn't let Canada do his job
-hiring people who are not qualified to work in the program jobs bc of personal relationships
Lying about the offensive coordinator position in general. Conducting a farce of a search bc he doesn't have the balls to make a decision bc he fears the outside noise may not approve bc in fact it's a political campaign and he knows he isn't getting elected on his record so he has to sell hope and prayer
Those are just a few of the issues a lot of us have with Eaux. Then you throw in the worst lost to Msu ever (a mediocre team btw) and a home loss to a 23 point underdog during we got our shite pushed in and maybe you can understand why some are not seauxld on Eaux
Preach.
Not to mention throwing coaches and players under the bus during the season.
Anyone remember him telling the media that we had no kickers after they missed a couple?
Snapping like a dumb arse at the reporter who didn't completely fall in line?
The guy is a DBag of the highest accord...horrible representative of the LSU football program
This post was edited on 7/7/18 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 7/7/18 at 12:16 pm to JustLivinTheDream
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. Now think about the last few years and how bad the DL play has been. LSU went from DLU to getting gashed on the ground against Miss State, Auburn, Bama, etc.
hell, Troy's OL dominated our DL. but, we were missing our best guys; it takes a few years to build up a large position like DL or OL.
I loved Les. what pissed me off (and frustrated the hell out of me) was how we not only did not take advantage of winning the natty in '07 but how far the team dropped after that. that was the first sign I saw of his complacency. hiring Chavis was good initially but he and Haley wrecked our front 7 and Les let it go on and STILL didn't hold Chavis accountable as he never fired him. he fell in love with Chavis and Cameron and Peveto and wouldn't hold them accountable.
imo, his complacency and over loyalty to certain staff members not doing their jobs ruined his legacy; at least for me. it really is a shame as he's a quality guy and improved our graduation rates a lot (which is important to me).
Posted on 7/7/18 at 12:21 pm to hg
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Maybe Chaisson will do something this year then
Yeah, I don't know about that. He didn't look good at all in the Spring Game.
Word is that Clyde Edwars-Helaire will be switched to defense to man that position and Chaisson will back him up for a few reps per game.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 12:24 pm to Mo Jeaux
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I see the new propaganda talking point is the rebuild.
it appears you do not know what propaganda is. you think it's statements (even factual statements) that you disagree with. that ain't it pal.
it also appears you not only have no objectivity but don't know shite about football. anyone with eyes and half a brain could see other teams beating us by running up the middle of our weak arse DL. all this while we tried to win with an offense that could only run block. I add that they did that well and we had great backs. too bad that type of vanilla offense can be stuffed by a lot of teams.
lastly, I wish you and others would quit this bull shite of labeling people as either "O haters and non LSU fans" or "O sycophants using propaganda". that crap has ruined this board and posters that post facts are getting slammed and pigeon holed. it's very much like our political climate and legitimate discussions are suppressed with juvenile name calling and lies.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 12:26 pm to LSU GrandDad
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hell, Troy's OL dominated our DL. but, we were missing our best guys; i
Ok. Our “second and third best guys” shouldn’t get man handled by Troy. Especially when our HC is a purported DL coaching wizz and has another purported DL coaching wizz on staff.
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