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re: Les Miles Winning Percentage at LSU

Posted on 12/14/13 at 11:15 am to
Posted by alajones
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Posted on 12/14/13 at 11:15 am to
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You provided opinion
Do you seriously not know the difference between facts and opinions?

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2005 against UT, leaves a TO on the board and lets the clock run out of the first half
This is a fact, not an opinion.

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2009 against UW. End of first half, UW is happy to run out the clock, Les calls TO's even though the best case scenario has us getting the ball inside the 20 with no TO's and about 15 seconds left. UW throws a long pass on 3rd and long, steals 3 points at the end of the half.
Fact. This is what actually happened, not an opinion or an interpretation.

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2010 Alabama, we get a fumble recovery with about 7 minutes left or so. Les had no intention of passing it because we ran three straight dives. But for some reason, JJ is snapping the ball with 20 seconds left on the clock each time.
Once again, historical record, this happened. Not an opinion.

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2013 Ole Miss the Rebs set up for a game winning FG with over 20 seconds left on the clock. Les calls TO with 6 seconds left.
FACT! Mother fricking goddamn fact!

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Christ! What a fricking reach
This however, IS an opinion.

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I'll give you facts and not opinion. LSU leads all BCS and all SEC schools in wins since 2005. No SEC school has more SECW or SEC titles since 2005 than LSU. No school in the BCS has a better OOC record than LSU since 2005. LSU has played in two BCSCGs in the last seven seasons winning one.

That's a great nine season record no matter the name of the coach directing it.
Has not shite to do with his clock management. NOT A GODDAMN THING!!!

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little more than second guessing of the same type decisions made by many coaches each Saturday or Sunday.
What? Second guessing? These were easy calls at the time they happened.
This post was edited on 12/14/13 at 11:16 am
Posted by LSU Groupee
Member since Oct 2012
4026 posts
Posted on 12/14/13 at 11:59 am to
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Do you seriously not know the difference between facts and opinions?




What I know is your opinion that a game decision was a time management blunder doesn't make that a fact. It makes it your opinion and judging by the five examples you gave, not a very smart opinion.

This:
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LSU leads all BCS and all SEC schools in wins since 2005. No SEC school has more SECW or SEC titles since 2005 than LSU. No school in the BCS has a better OOC record than LSU since 2005. LSU has played in two BCSCGs in the last seven seasons winning one.
is 100% fact and the fact you see it as opinion tells me you are fricking clueless.

Posted by alajones
Huntsvegas
Member since Oct 2005
35925 posts
Posted on 12/14/13 at 12:07 pm to
You are clueless. I am addressing time management issues.
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LSU leads all BCS and all SEC schools in wins since 2005. No SEC school has more SECW or SEC titles since 2005 than LSU. No school in the BCS has a better OOC record than LSU since 2005. LSU has played in two BCSCGs in the last seven seasons winning one.
Why do you keep bringing this up? I'm not even talking about this.

You aren't addressing anything I bring up. You seriously think emoticons and name calling is actually a response.



Posted by LNCHBOX
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Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 12/14/13 at 12:14 pm to
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You aren't addressing anything I bring up.


You've got a lot of room to talk about that. Care to address anything I brought up to you besides your opinion of ESPN "journalists?"

The only fact is Les is LSU's winningest coach, and his results place him in the very upper echelon of active coaches. The fact that you can only definitively place rank one coach ahead of his says all you need to know about how good he is.

And if you want to keep spouting off time management BS, I'm sure if you follow any program as closely as LSU you will find just as many ticky tack examples of whatever "great" coach you are looking at. Hell, Saban screwed the pooch in his last game at clock management.
Posted by LSU Groupee
Member since Oct 2012
4026 posts
Posted on 12/14/13 at 1:12 pm to
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I am addressing time management issues


JHC, I addressed your five examples twice and explained why 80% of them were not good examples of what most would see as some kind of terrible blunder. I gave you Old Miss, but the others are petty second guessing with no sound by the book basis.

Every coach in the game makes decisions that others can pick apart after the fact and call out as some kind of blunder, but very, very few of those coaches can also point to their teams:

leading "all BCS and all SEC schools in wins since 2005. No SEC school has more SECW or SEC titles since 2005 than LSU. No school in the BCS has a better OOC record than LSU since 2005. LSU has played in two BCSCGs in the last seven seasons winning one."
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48276 posts
Posted on 12/14/13 at 5:04 pm to
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just feel like people are frustrated because LSU has the talent and coaches yet we always have 2-3 games per year that should be for sure wins that end up being nail biter


The best coach in cfb , with the most talent, loses to a less talented team every year but once.
Posted by alajones
Huntsvegas
Member since Oct 2005
35925 posts
Posted on 12/14/13 at 5:22 pm to
Na uh.
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 12/14/13 at 7:46 pm to
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NO NO NO NO NO.
Yes.
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You are not addressing my specific clock management post.
Nor will I. It was years ago. We've moved on. Join us.
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You are spinning the question and answering how you want to answer.
The overall record isn't spin. You're the one spinning, not I.
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I think he is a very good coach, not great. To suggest greatness would be to put him on par with other coaches who he is definitely not on par with.
Too bad the totals of wins and losses render your point useless.
This post was edited on 12/14/13 at 7:46 pm
Posted by tigerswin03
SAINTS / PELICANS FAN
Member since Jan 2009
4715 posts
Posted on 12/14/13 at 8:07 pm to
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alajones
I agree les has made some mistakes along the way but so does every other coach.....proof of clm (beside the numbers)is that you or no one else can name a better coach in this era besides saban and meyer.....if so name them.....you cant because the numbers don't lie....
Posted by RceTigers
Member since Feb 2013
444 posts
Posted on 12/14/13 at 9:54 pm to
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I know you can't stand it, and I feel sorry for you. LSU football will never make you happy. You should find some other way to pass the time.


Was happy before jan 9 2011 so you are wrong again

Everything since then has gone downhill
Posted by lsutothetop
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Member since Jul 2008
11323 posts
Posted on 12/14/13 at 9:58 pm to
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And I agree with the grass is greener on other side analogy.

The grass is green where you take care of it
Posted by jhhingle
New Orleans
Member since Oct 2007
3283 posts
Posted on 12/14/13 at 10:12 pm to
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jan 9 2012
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16173 posts
Posted on 12/14/13 at 10:13 pm to
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one else can name a better coach in this era besides saban and meyer



that's very debateable, don't really see Meyers being in the same class as Saban and Miles. He's been a pretty good coach over the years but hasn't been proven over time like the other two in the discussion.
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16173 posts
Posted on 12/14/13 at 10:16 pm to
all coaches make mistakes if you really look at it. The difference between a mistake and a great call is often a matter of luck. We just tend to focus more on Miles because he is LSU head coach. Put any other coach there and you would still be having the same discussion
Posted by tigerswin03
SAINTS / PELICANS FAN
Member since Jan 2009
4715 posts
Posted on 12/14/13 at 11:33 pm to
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that's very debateable, don't really see Meyers being in the same class as Saban and Miles. He's been a pretty good coach over the years but hasn't been proven over time like the other two in the discussion
that's the two that was mentioned when another poster asked that question.....I can see some putting cum ahead of clm but there is not many you can compare to clm based strictly on results.....
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 12/15/13 at 8:04 am to
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Everything since then has gone downhill
And you can't be happy with LSU football. You're a sidewalk faux LSU fan who brings nothing to the table that isn't negative. We've got our most successful coach ever, and he is somewhat likely to finish his first decade at LSU with a better record than USC, Michigan, and LSU had in their best decades ever, and people like you still can't be happy. You're pathetic. Move on and find another team. You're doing nothing but bothering people here.
Posted by ForeLSU
The Corner of Sanity and Madness
Member since Sep 2003
41525 posts
Posted on 12/15/13 at 8:13 am to
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Was happy before jan 9 2011 so you are wrong again


what happened on 1/9/11 that caused you so much pain?
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
70025 posts
Posted on 12/15/13 at 8:14 am to
[quote] He's been a pretty good coach over the years but hasn't been proven over time like the other two in the discussion.[/

2 national titles and has been a winner at 3 different places... The guy is a great coach.
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 12/15/13 at 11:08 am to
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Was happy before jan 9 2011 so you are wrong again Everything since then has gone downhill


Oh my God...shut the frick up
Posted by LSU Groupee
Member since Oct 2012
4026 posts
Posted on 12/15/13 at 11:13 am to
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not many you can compare to clm based strictly on results.....


Is there anything more important in sports than results?

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