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re: Les Miles Winning Percentage at LSU
Posted on 12/14/13 at 1:09 am to alajones
Posted on 12/14/13 at 1:09 am to alajones
quote:The word "apologist" doesn't apply correctly to us since we aren't offering any unreasonable defense of Les Miles to the argument. Every time we cite his record at LSU, the losses are included in the record. All 24 of them. The problem with you people is that you can't stand that we cite those 94 pesky wins as well. What drives some of you up the wall is that no man has ever been more successful as LSU's football coach.
You apologists are unreal.
You should call us realists. We cite the wins and the losses. We celebrate the wins, critique the losses, and most importantly, we know how to move on from both and see the big picture for what it is.
According to College Football Data Warehouse, LSU is the all-time #9 football program. Let's look at the top 9 and each team's best decade ever, according to the site:
1. Alabama's best decade ever was 1971-1980. Bama went .892.
2. Notre Dame's best decade ever was 1940-1949. Irish went .876.
3. Southern California's best decade ever was 1969-1978. USC went .801.
4. Oklahoma's best decade ever was 1971-1980. Sooners went .873.
5. Michigan's best decade ever was 1941-1950. Michigan went .798.
6. Ohio State's best decade ever was 1968-1977. tOSU went .844.
7. Texas' best decade ever was 1963-1972. UT went .819.
8. Nebraska's best decade ever was 1991-2000. Huskers went .876.
9. LSU's best decade ever was 2002-2011. Tigers went .795.
If LSU wins the 2014 Outback Bowl, Les Miles will have a .798 winning percentage in Les Miles' nine years, which is a better mark than LSU had in its best decade ever, and equal to Michigan's best decade ever.
If Les Miles goes 11-2 or better in 2014, his decade at LSU will have seen a better winning percentage than USC's best decade ever, Michigan's best decade ever, and LSU's previous best decade ever.
I have a question, therefore, for those who think Miles isn't a great coach: What the frick is wrong with you people?
This post was edited on 12/14/13 at 1:11 am
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Posted on 12/14/13 at 4:35 am to saintforlife1
quote:I always ask the folks that are anti clm to name me five programs that that they would switch places with (as far as results) over the past 8 years and no one seems to be able to do it....
Everyone thinks the grass is always greener on the other side. Many LSU fans don't realize what a good run we have had with Miles and probably won't until he is long gone. Seriously, Miles has been among the Top 3-5 coaches in the country during his time at LSU. If not for having to play a Saban coached Bama team every year, we'd have one or two more SEC championships, maybe even a Natty. Even without those, Miles' tenure has been nothing short of fabulous. I can think of at least 100-110 other programs in the country that would love to have been in our position the past 8 1/2 years or so.
This post was edited on 12/14/13 at 4:37 am
Posted on 12/14/13 at 8:47 am to LSU Groupee
quote:You notice how I'm providing data, facts, events and asking you challenging questions and all you are responding with is "na uh".
Your examples but for Old Miss sucked. Saving a TO in hopes of kicking a FG was is not a bad call. Calling a TO with 45 seconds left when the other team is third and one at their 29 is not a bad call. Alabama got the ball back with 18 seconds, no TOs, and on their own 14. Any LSU fan complaining about how that game was played or coached is just someone looking for problems with a microscope.
Posted on 12/14/13 at 8:53 am to ballscaster
quote:NO NO NO NO NO.
The word "apologist" doesn't apply correctly to us since we aren't offering any unreasonable defense of Les Miles to the argument. Every time we cite his record at LSU, the losses are included in the record. All 24 of them. The problem with you people is that you can't stand that we cite those 94 pesky wins as well. What drives some of you up the wall is that no man has ever been more successful as LSU's football coach.
You are not addressing my specific clock management post. You are spinning the question and answering how you want to answer.
quote:I think he is a very good coach, not great. To suggest greatness would be to put him on par with other coaches who he is definitely not on par with.
I have a question, therefore, for those who think Miles isn't a great coach: What the frick is wrong with you people?
Miles' recruiting ability + his better than average coaching ability + we have 5 or so "gimmie" wins every year = a very good program. That's it. I'll say it again, if Saban wasn't in the SEC and Miles didn't have clock management goofs, he would be revered. And we'd have at least one more natty.
Ifs and buts.
Posted on 12/14/13 at 9:02 am to alajones
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To suggest greatness would be to put him on par with other coaches who he is definitely not on par with.
Who is he not on par with? With the exception of Saban (and this is recent), he has at worst split games with every great coach in this conference. He has the most wins of any SEC coach since he started in the conference. He wins damn near 80% of his games in the hardest division of the hardest conference. How is that anything other than great?
Basically, if Les is not a great coach, that means there is only one great coach in the nation. Because only Saban has been better than him recently.
Posted on 12/14/13 at 9:15 am to LNCHBOX
I would (and this is just my opinion) put it at
Saban
Urban Meyer
Then Miles; but I think you could put a bunch of coaches in that number three position.
It's kind of a tough call. Is he "great" in the present? I would say no, and FWIW so would most of the national media, sportswriters, talking heads, etc.
Will his tenure at LSU when he is all said and done be considered "great", I would have to say yes. BUT, if he doesn't turn something around with Nicky he will always have that shadow over him, just like Cholly Mac and Bama.
Saban
Urban Meyer
Then Miles; but I think you could put a bunch of coaches in that number three position.
It's kind of a tough call. Is he "great" in the present? I would say no, and FWIW so would most of the national media, sportswriters, talking heads, etc.
Will his tenure at LSU when he is all said and done be considered "great", I would have to say yes. BUT, if he doesn't turn something around with Nicky he will always have that shadow over him, just like Cholly Mac and Bama.
Posted on 12/14/13 at 9:23 am to alajones
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Urban Meyer
Do you really think Les couldn't go into that conference at it's premier school and do the same thing?
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but I think you could put a bunch of coaches in that number three position.
Name them. Patterson? Les beat him. Sumlin?
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It's kind of a tough call. Is he "great" in the present? I would say no
One bad game against Ole Miss doesn't really take away from his greatness. Unless you'd like to also suggest Saban in no longer great because of his most recent brain fart to lose to a supposedly inferior team.
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and FWIW so would most of the national media, sportswriters, talking heads, etc.
That's not really doing anything to bolster your argument.
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Will his tenure at LSU when he is all said and done be considered "great", I would have to say yes. BUT, if he doesn't turn something around with Nicky he will always have that shadow over him, just like Cholly Mac and Bama.
Who has had as much success against Saban as Les has (with a greater than 2 game sample size just to keep you honest)?
Posted on 12/14/13 at 9:25 am to alajones
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I would (and this is just my opinion) put it at
Saban
Urban Meyer
Miles was 3-3 against Meyer.
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Then Miles; but I think you could put a bunch of coaches in that number three position.
Are you talking nationally? Because if you put Miles at 3 nationally, that's elite, not just very good.
Posted on 12/14/13 at 9:29 am to LNCHBOX
quote:Really showing a lot of ignorance though if you think the opinions of some losers posting on the internet on Saturday morning have more insight, knowledge and more valuable opinions than national media and sportswriters. I know it's cool to hate on them like they just put a suit on one day and were declared to be "the one".
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and FWIW so would most of the national media, sportswriters, talking heads, etc.
That's not really doing anything to bolster your argument.
Anyway, I've stated my opinion, I'm really okay with not arguing opinions all morning.
Go Army, beat Navy.
Posted on 12/14/13 at 9:33 am to alajones
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Really showing a lot of ignorance though if you think the opinions of some losers posting on the internet on Saturday morning have more insight, knowledge and more valuable opinions than national media and sportswriters. I know it's cool to hate on them like they just put a suit on one day and were declared to be "the one".
I like that this is the only part of my post you respond to. Bottom line is Les is a great coach, and there is nothing tangible you have to say otherwise. But that won't stop you, Pennywise, RedTigerRulz, and any other half wit from coming in any thread and passing off your pseudo-knowledge about what makes a coach great. At the end of the day, results are the only thing that matters in coaching, and Les is on the extreme upper end among active coaches in that department. Until that changes, you fools can keep spouting off your BS about what supposedly makes a coach great. The results speak for themselves.
Posted on 12/14/13 at 9:34 am to alajones
Ok let's go over this again for those who were unable to get it the first time. Les Miles is an better than average coach (not sure coach is the right word as that would suggest X's and O's) or program manager I should say. He's a good motivator but some of the obvious let down games would suggest differently as well. All coaches will have these but we seem to shite the bed more than most. For those idiots that want to spew his record lets think about that for a minute. We play more games than those previous decades mentioned above hence more rent a wins. I think Miles can be successful with good coordinators around him if he stays out of the way Nd focuses more on clock management which seemed to improve this year. I truly believe however that Miles' record is more of a reflection of the increase in talent level over his tenure partly due to the resurgence caused by a previous coach. That success caused LA kids to stay home and play for their home state because now they could actually play for something like a conference title. We would never have even been in the running for kids like fournette prior to that time. We lost those kids and their names were Minor, Reed, Wayne, Dunn etc etc. miles is a good coach not a great one.
Posted on 12/14/13 at 9:47 am to jwill37
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He's a good motivator but some of the obvious let down games would suggest differently as well. All coaches will have these but we seem to shite the bed more than most.
Did you ever think you think we have more than most because you follow this program more closely than any other. For example, everyone likes to say we struggled against Furman this year, but the only reason you know that is because you saw that game. The end score was a blow out, but Miles haters claim we struggled with them.
Bama has played down to opponents as well, but you'd never know it because all you see is a final score. Then we get to hear Saban takes care of business, blah blah blah.
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For those idiots that want to spew his record lets think about that for a minute. We play more games than those previous decades mentioned above hence more rent a wins.
2011 laughs in the face of this notion. Not to mention our OOC schedule has been anything but rent a win since Les has been here. This past year is the first time we have had such an easy OOC schedule, but even then we still opened against a TCU team that was far from rent a win. But I'm sure a "non idiot" such as yourself has considered the actual teams we played instead of just running with a BS talking point that has no merit.
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I truly believe however that Miles' record is more of a reflection of the increase in talent level over his tenure
You could have just stopped this sentence here and given Miles his due for recruiting, but you had to go all derpy and continue with...
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partly due to the resurgence caused by a previous coach
So you don't want to acknowledge that Les gets the guys here on his own? Do we do the same for Saban since Bama was a big name long before he ever got there? I'm guessing you won't.
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That success caused LA kids to stay home and play for their home state because now they could actually play for something like a conference title.
It's funny because a lot of our most talented recruits aren't even from this state. A "non idiot" such as yourself would probably know that.
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We would never have even been in the running for kids like fournette prior to that time.
So Saban's LSU run when LF was at most 8 years old has anything to do with getting him here today? And you're calling other people idiots?
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We lost those kids and their names were Minor, Reed, Wayne, Dunn etc etc. miles is a good coach not a great one.
Posted on 12/14/13 at 9:53 am to jwill37
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partly due to the resurgence caused by a previous coach
Dinardo
Posted on 12/14/13 at 10:03 am to LNCHBOX
You're in denial man. If you can't acknowledge that our previous coach started a trend of keeping the top LA talent then you can't be helped. Yes we got some out of state kids that were great but it was keeping the in state talent that turned this program around.
Posted on 12/14/13 at 10:08 am to jwill37
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If you can't acknowledge that our previous coach started a trend of keeping the top LA talent then you can't be helped.
It was Dinardo
Posted on 12/14/13 at 10:24 am to jwill37
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If you can't acknowledge that our previous coach started a trend of keeping the top LA talent
Its been 9 years and you are still trying to say that the only reason LSU has good talent is because of the previous coach.
You also must not realize that a lot of top talent that has come through the program the last 9 years is from out of state.
But that must only be because of the previous coach.
wow
Posted on 12/14/13 at 10:33 am to alajones
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You notice how I'm providing data, facts,
You provided opinion on five examples of what you saw as coaching blunders in which 80% of the examples were wrong since they were little more than second guessing of the same type decisions made by many coaches each Saturday or Sunday.
I'll give you facts and not opinion. LSU leads all BCS and all SEC schools in wins since 2005. No SEC school has more SECW or SEC titles since 2005 than LSU. No school in the BCS has a better OOC record than LSU since 2005. LSU has played in two BCSCGs in the last seven seasons winning one.
That's a great nine season record no matter the name of the coach directing it.
If all you sour grapes guys can come up with is that Les should have done even better or after nine seasons you throw out a handful or two of questionable decisions YOU THINK he made you don't have shite and all you are really doing is making yourself look like petty, uninformed fans who just like to bitch!
Posted on 12/14/13 at 10:42 am to LSU Groupee
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I'll give you facts and not opinion. LSU leads all BCS and all SEC schools in wins since 2005. No SEC school has more SECW or SEC titles since 2005 than LSU. No school in the BCS has a better OOC record than LSU since 2005. LSU has played in two BCSCGs in the last seven seasons winning one.
It is important to note that LSU did this, all the while playing tougher schedules both in and out of conference than our Western Division rivals....
Posted on 12/14/13 at 11:05 am to alajones
So you only put Saban and Meyer above him but he's not a great coach?
Posted on 12/14/13 at 11:11 am to Choctaw
quote:
So you only put Saban and Meyer above him but he's not a great coach?
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