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Posted on 10/21/12 at 6:08 pm to mytigger
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We've all watched games the last 3 years and been totally disgusted with our offense. Words like inept and pathetic come to mind. Meanwhile our record in that time has been 31-4. These two things are counterintuitive to each other, right? Wrong. This LSU team is specifically geared to have particular ingredients, namely speed, physicality, the ability to run the ball and the ability to stop the other team from running the ball. And these things allow this team to compete with any team, any time and any place. Les is no dummy. He's not selling Ferrari's, or a Texas Tech offense, he's selling W's. I've seen high powered LSU offenses put up phenomenal numbers and then lose the game. No thank you, I'll take an ugly W over a stat padded L. Stats don't win games, scoring more points than your opponents does. His strategy isn't perfect, but it is successful. And it's a strategy that is geared to compete against and defeat the best teams in college football. It's a strategy that has made LSU one of the most, if not the most, successful team in recent college football history. If you want to get right to the point, this team is geared specifically to beat Alabama. Old fashioned smash mouth, great defense, stout running, feel like you just walked away from a car wreck football. Les has two weeks to prepare for this solid Bama team, he won't need gimicks, tricks and a revamped offense to win, but you know he'll have a few tricks up his sleeve. You think Tiger Stadium won't be jacked up on Saturday night? You know it will be....
I agree...
I wish the offense was better but I understand that part of our defense's success has something to do with our offensive plan..time of possession is a big part of having a great defense...you can't control that unless you are a run first team...
Miles doesn't get enough credit for having a holistic philosophy, recruiting players that fit it, and then executing that plan by WINNING...82-19...
Posted on 10/21/12 at 6:09 pm to Xenophon
I agree. We need to continually suck on offense and settle for field goals so that our defense needs the pressure to save every game for us.
Posted on 10/21/12 at 6:09 pm to yankeelover
Posted on 10/21/12 at 6:11 pm to TheDoc
LSU defense got 4 turnovers from ATM
And Lsu only won by 5
Don't expect 4 turnovers from bama
And Lsu only won by 5
Don't expect 4 turnovers from bama
Posted on 10/21/12 at 6:11 pm to mytigger
But all of what you said can co-exist with a good offensive QB. See Matt Flynn in 2007 as the best example.
Just as you say his formula is tried and true to run and stop the run, so to do we have abundant evidence that he is doing something really wrong that allows his QB's to be inept. Saban doesn't do it.
So, your points are well made, but are incomplete.
We can have all of that PLUS a decent QB.
So, if 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 and 2012 are all messed up at the most important position on the team, people have a right to question why.
Miles is the one consistent factor in that timeframe.
He needs a different QB philosophy. It was most on display on 1/9.
It does not make any sense to say that we cannot do what Saban does. Saban recruits the type of stable decision maker that is most typical of winning SEC championships. He did that with Matt Flynn here, and he did that with his two Nat'l champ QB's at Bama.
Saban has 3 Natty's, and they all look a lot different than any QB Miles has recruited and played in the last 5 years. If you throw in his recruitment of Flynn, he has contributed to 4 different Natty's via QB in some way or form - and all in the last 10 years.
It does not have to be this way.
Just as you say his formula is tried and true to run and stop the run, so to do we have abundant evidence that he is doing something really wrong that allows his QB's to be inept. Saban doesn't do it.
So, your points are well made, but are incomplete.
We can have all of that PLUS a decent QB.
So, if 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 and 2012 are all messed up at the most important position on the team, people have a right to question why.
Miles is the one consistent factor in that timeframe.
He needs a different QB philosophy. It was most on display on 1/9.
It does not make any sense to say that we cannot do what Saban does. Saban recruits the type of stable decision maker that is most typical of winning SEC championships. He did that with Matt Flynn here, and he did that with his two Nat'l champ QB's at Bama.
Saban has 3 Natty's, and they all look a lot different than any QB Miles has recruited and played in the last 5 years. If you throw in his recruitment of Flynn, he has contributed to 4 different Natty's via QB in some way or form - and all in the last 10 years.
It does not have to be this way.
This post was edited on 10/21/12 at 6:14 pm
Posted on 10/21/12 at 6:12 pm to TheDoc
Lol.
Exactly the way you plan it. That screenshot all but ensures victory
Exactly the way you plan it. That screenshot all but ensures victory
Posted on 10/21/12 at 6:13 pm to mytigger
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Les is smarter than you'll ever be and here's why...
I can introduce you to a multi millionaire that can't write his own name. So that argument is plain stupid. I can absolutely 100% guarantee that THIS isn't true.
Posted on 10/21/12 at 6:15 pm to tigerfan in bamaland
Heck, I'll take 2-0....Tigers
Posted on 10/21/12 at 6:15 pm to TheDoc
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LSU defense got 4 turnovers from ATM
And Lsu only won by 5
Don't expect 4 turnovers from bama
You obviously are pretty certain that LSU has no chance against Bama. If by for some miraculous way we were able to beat the invincible Saban/Bama would you come on here and admit that you did not know what you were talking about? I know that it is a stretch to believe that is possible since we have never done it before and all...
Posted on 10/21/12 at 6:15 pm to mytigger
Ahhhh....
There you have it.
Play great defense and special teams. Pound the rock with Neanderthal like fervor and success will follow.
Sounds great but....
There's nothing that says you can't play good offense. We don't. Offensively we bring a knife to a gun fight.
Oh yeah, thank goodness for Chavis.
There you have it.
Play great defense and special teams. Pound the rock with Neanderthal like fervor and success will follow.
Sounds great but....
There's nothing that says you can't play good offense. We don't. Offensively we bring a knife to a gun fight.
Oh yeah, thank goodness for Chavis.
Posted on 10/21/12 at 6:15 pm to mytigger
Agree that Miles is a good coach but this is the ultimate straw man. Expecting a reasonably competent offense is not tantamount to arguing we become Oregon or abandoning a stifling defense. You are basically saying Miles doesn't believe in a throwing offense at all because he just likes winning too much. Ask raushaun woods if Miles knows how to run a throwing offense. The real issue is the current players and staff are struggling to get it done. You don't have to be Oregon to hit wide open receivers in cover zero. Heck the Naval academy and Georgia tech do it.
/rant
Cliff notes: expecting better offense isn't incompatible with Miles'philosophy.
/rant
Cliff notes: expecting better offense isn't incompatible with Miles'philosophy.
This post was edited on 10/21/12 at 6:18 pm
Posted on 10/21/12 at 6:16 pm to TheDoc
So doc, no other teams have penalties? A lot of them came on DEFENSE. Let me guess miles coaches pass interference and late hits. And according to recruiting sites that every one bitched about last years class not being ranked high. We beat more talented teams. Uga, aub, uf, bama, tamu have all had higher rated classes than lsu at some point the past 4 years. Im not buying out talent bullshite. We ar also playing with what? 60 players. How can we out talent other sec teams with 80+ players?
Our 2nd string center was playing rg. Thats a problem.
Our 2nd string center was playing rg. Thats a problem.
This post was edited on 10/21/12 at 6:28 pm
Posted on 10/21/12 at 6:22 pm to tiger chaser
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DEFENSE as good as their's
i really do not know if this is true. Further, it has to be better than the Alabama offense. We'll see.
Posted on 10/21/12 at 6:24 pm to josh336
I guess that is what he is saying. However, our defense will continue to be good with our DC. How about you tweak the offensive scheme, and we would actually win games like Bama does. In dominant fashion, not in close games that go late in the 4th quarter...
Good thought I guess...
Good thought I guess...
Posted on 10/21/12 at 6:26 pm to TFan
Yeah but I think Nick got to bring the Crystal Ball home with him for his W.
Posted on 10/21/12 at 6:27 pm to Topwater Trout
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Is he smarter than saban? Saban believes in all that AND also having the ability to complete the forward pass. Meh miles just doesn't have the "want" to be a complete team.
Dude did you just drop onto the football scene this season? Bama couldn't throw the ball last season until the NC game. They were breaking in a new qb and it took 13 games for him to "get it". They now have a more balanced O- THIS season. It's obvious we're trying to bring about more balance also. Did you see how many times Mett threw Sat? We're not proficient yet. The difference. McCarron has a season and a half under his belt Mett has 1/2 season. And we still have the team to beat them at our place. If you've followed this rivalry at all in the past 5 seasons you'll understand this.
Posted on 10/21/12 at 6:28 pm to mytigger
You are 95% right, sir.
But I maintain that Les loves to "judiciously" throw the ball to mix it up, keep the opposing defense off-balance, sustain drives and gives his defense breathers.
Its the same formula Saban uses.
Miles is trying, but he can't count on a successful passing game right now. His QB can't deliver consistently, and neither can his receivers.
But Miles has passed the ball plenty in the past, when his players could execute it. He did it last year, when Lee was playing great, and he did it a lot in 2007, when he had his only great QB since he's been at LSU, Matt Flynn.
He knows he has a big achilles heel right now, 'cause he does not have a dependable passing game, to free up the run, sustain drives and score.
If we can't sustain drives and give our defense breathers, we will not beat Bama, and Les Miles knows that.
You can bet he'll be working on fixing that problem for the next two weeks.
And he'll probably also have a few "surprises" to put in place during the game, if the team still can't execute the pass plays we need to allow our offense to be successful.
But I maintain that Les loves to "judiciously" throw the ball to mix it up, keep the opposing defense off-balance, sustain drives and gives his defense breathers.
Its the same formula Saban uses.
Miles is trying, but he can't count on a successful passing game right now. His QB can't deliver consistently, and neither can his receivers.
But Miles has passed the ball plenty in the past, when his players could execute it. He did it last year, when Lee was playing great, and he did it a lot in 2007, when he had his only great QB since he's been at LSU, Matt Flynn.
He knows he has a big achilles heel right now, 'cause he does not have a dependable passing game, to free up the run, sustain drives and score.
If we can't sustain drives and give our defense breathers, we will not beat Bama, and Les Miles knows that.
You can bet he'll be working on fixing that problem for the next two weeks.
And he'll probably also have a few "surprises" to put in place during the game, if the team still can't execute the pass plays we need to allow our offense to be successful.
Posted on 10/21/12 at 6:29 pm to dgnx6
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We ar also playing with what? 60 players. How can we out talent other sec teams with 80+ players?
WTF are you talking about? Are you on drugs?
Posted on 10/21/12 at 6:32 pm to mytigger
So..its not geared to have a competent QB by design?
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