re: Les and Coach Mac

chatuey,

All I can say is that you have a better memory of that game than I have!


Buz

Cholly Mac was a class act. The main plus to Mac is he kept LSU at a very high level longer than any other coach. Sent alot of players to the pros. Knew defense. Took LSU to some damn good bowls and brought a lot of good recognition to the school. he was also a top notch defense as he always had a good one.

He doesn't deserve the rap he's getting from some of you in this thread as you weren't around for him. He probably stayed a couple of years too long as the program was getting a little stale and we were happy for Sun Bowls and Tangerine Bowls. Yes, Cholly made questionable decisions about playing certain qbs and the Woodley/Ensminger merry go round drove everyone crazy, but the point is, he kept LSU football at a high level for a long time.

However, the main reason he was canned was because he played Fulmer to Bear's Spurrier. He could not beat the Bear. But then unless you were General Neyland or Ara Parseghian, no one did either did back then.

Don't give me the crap about Bear and cheating. Bear was better at spotting talent. He was better at hiring assistants. Given the assistant coaches who went through Bear v. Cholly Mac, its no wonder Cholly kept getting beat. Do you younger guys have a clue who coached for Bear over the years? Then there was the fact Bear was more aggressive in adapting to the game. See his use of black players and also changing to the wishbone. by the way, his wishbone was one he threw out of- see how many of his wishbone qb's made it to the pros and stayed there. And lets be real, bear was a better defensive coach although slightly. See the 1979 game, we couldn't get past the 50 while losing 3-0.

I think Miles will turn out to be a better coach as he recruits better, hires assistants that tend to go to better jobs, and is keeping the program at an even higher level.

But then again, Cholly Mac never got the kind of support in terms of money and facilities Miles is getting either. For that you can thank Saban and Emmert.

edit: and by the way, wrangler, if you are going to use Mac, then get it right: its Cholly Mac, not Charlie Mac.

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Classy Wisconsin, classy.

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Wait, one group of people were rude to another group of people because they were blatant racists, and the first group is not "classy"? WTF kind of opposite world do you live in?

And I know it wasn't the player's call, but the did represent the university.

so every player was a racist on that team and deserved that shite? and Im a democrat and I still think you are wrong. So by your logic we should attack the entire PSU football team bc of the higher ups bullshite? GTFO

The MSU basketball team once had to sneak out of state to play in a postseason tournament. Caught hell when they got back.

Gotta weigh in on this, having known the family. Coach Mac and Mrs. Mac(she and my mother played college basketball together btw,) were two of the classiest people you could ever meet. They loved LSU and certainly gave more than they received. They even moved back to BR after retirement and continued to support LSU, after having been sent packing rather disgracefully by LSU. They were wonderful people, always had time for you, did a lot of good behind the scenes for a lot of people, never seeking credit or recognition for it.
I really like Les, but you have to admit he's got a little more to work with than Coach Mac. It's called progress, and it's great.

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no african americans (the alumni and ex-players caused this and i still get pissed off thinking about it)

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Can you talk a little bit more about who was responsible for this to change and who were primarily resisting the change. Perhaps you could suggest some references/reading guidelines.

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A regular season was 10 games back then and his record was helped tremendously by beating 7 inferior opponents every year (Texas A & M, Rice, Kentucky, Miss St, Tulane, etc) and having a losing record against Bama, Ole Miss and Florida.

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Texas A&M? Rice (in the 60s)? Tulane? In the 70s, Mac played OOC "rent-a-wins" like Notre Dame, Colorado and USC. Good luck selling that somewhere else. We play three teams every year as bad or worse as Rice/Tulane were in the 60s.

From '69 through '73, Mac had a much better conference record than Saban did - I'm having trouble seeing your point.

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He did have some good wins in his tenure, but he could have done a lot better.

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Same is true for Saban - UAB, Texas, Kentucky (should have lost that game), Alabama(2002), Iowa.

Same is true for Miles, UGA (SEC-CG '05), Kentucky & Arky in 2007, Ole Miss in 2008, Ole Miss in 2009.

I'm not saying Mac was "perfect", his offenses, particularly in the 70s were far too conservative and predictable. He was resistant to change. He was also an outstanding football coach and a fine man.

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From '69 through '73, Mac had a much better conference record than Saban did - I'm having trouble seeing your point.

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Instead of looking at the wins, take a look at the losses. In 1969 he was 9-1, but that one he gave to Ole Miss in a silver platter and I have already mentioned that in this thread twice. We should have been national champs that year...we even got left out of the bowls that year.

Anyway, thanks for your input. All I know is that all thru my LSU college years (1963-1969), it was very frustrating to witness the underachieving and to be left wondering what could have been.