re: Les and 5 for 5

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good enough to not lose to troy and miss st and barely beat a shite arky team

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You are still hung up on this, even after last season.

Even after you pleaded about how Orgeron was "lowering the standard" at LSU, when you wouldn't listen to people that actually know about football would tell you that it was Les Miles that ruin the standards of LSU football, not Orgeron.

But here we are. You were wrong about Miles, and you were even more wrong about Orgeron. You have to be bottom of the barrel football knowledge to get both situations so wrong

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But he always thought he was the smartest guy in the room and he would not listen to anyone who did not think like him.

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This is a tired and fake narrative. Miles consistently went out and hired anything but yes men at the OC position.

He was too slow in letting them go once things went south, but retaining Jimbo, then hiring Crowton, Kragthorpe, and Cameron not to mention Billy Gonzales, and other highly regarded skill coaches shows Miles was always trying to improve and diversify the offense when hiring staff.


The same people that spew how boring and conservative the offenses were under Miles will bash our QBs as being terrible. How exactly is the offense supposed to air it out when the QBs aren’t good enough to do it??


Miles fatal flaw was an inability to evaluate QB prospects, simple as that. That is a valid criticism and ultimately rightfully cost him the job.


Even after everything else, had he simply started Etling going into 2016 he is likely still the coach here as we don’t lose to Wisconsin. Without that loss and the hysteria that followed, the Auburn game probably plays out differently as well. Even if it didn’t, who knows what happens when Bama comes to town with the SEC and CFP still on the line, as the team had always given them all they could handle in BR under Miles.


He and his staff tried to bring in different styles of QBs with Keil, Rettig, and even Harris who was widely regarded as a great prospect, but for many reasons, some on coaching some on the players themselves, they were never able to develop into quality SEC caliber difference makers at the most important position on the team.


I said before 2016 that without an SEC Championship with LF his time was up, but comments like this:

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Now he is where he belongs. He is a KU level coach. That or JUCO is where he belongs.

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just show how ridiculous people like you are that even years later and after the best season in CFB history you still have this hatred for a guy that raised the program to the highest level it had ever been and kept it competing at the highest level for a decade.

Strong response Les.


From the guy that thinks our 2016 lines weren’t good, I’d expect nothing else


You gonna put that in your Voodoo stalking folder for later?

When were those “LSU standards” established?


Regardless, now that all is up to standards according to you I certainly look forward to nothing but two loss seasons at worst going forward

GOAT class no doubt.

But does one great class set a standard?

If so, Saban himself failed to live up to that standard in two of his next three classes in terms of the lines.

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Miles fatal flaw was an inability to evaluate QB prospects, simple as that

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WoW. Yeah, his game management was on point.

Yeah, he let his OC call the game and never told them what to run.

Yeah, his clock management was the bomb.

Yeah, he played the best players, not the players he thought should be next in line.

Yeah, he addressed problems at positions of need like QB or kicker.

Miles made a ton of bad calls and was bailed out by better players making plays. Simple as that.

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But does one great class set a standard?

If so, Saban himself failed to live up to that standard in two of his next three classes in terms of the lines.

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It opened the flood gates for elite in state prospects to come back to LSU, and that has not stopped for 20 years now.

The meat of that class were a huge part of the 03’ championship team, too. So yea, it established a standard both on and off the field.

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It opened the flood gates for elite in state prospects to come back to LSU, and that has not stopped for 20 years now.

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That was already happening to an extent at other positions, but as to the lines it solidified it for sure.

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The meat of that class were a huge part of the 03’ championship team, too. So yea, it established a standard both on and off the field.

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And all of them were gone when Miles took over in 05, after which LSU truly became a consistent player on the national stage, not just in state.

Those classes from 09 right up until he was fired were pretty consistent with what he took over in terms of linemen.


It remains to be seen if the recruits from O’s line classes will meet or exceed that standard on the field over the long term.

You know as well as anyone the book isn’t written on a class on NSD


Hopefully with the improvement we all anticipate continuing at QB and in overall scheme we won’t be as dependent on the lines anyway, but again, that remains to be seen.

O has certainly earned the benefit of the doubt at this point, which based on the comments in this thread I’m more willing to give than Miles‘ detractors were at any point in his tenure.

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His QB recruiting may not have looked as bad if he would have been willing to change his offensive philosophy.

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So are you one of the guys that seems to believe LSU would have been better off throwing more with guys like JJ, Lee, Jennings, and Harris instead of ball control with the multitude of backs we had from 08-16?

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And his recruiting started to take a hit. His roster construction was poor by LSU standards his last few years.

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Mind posting a few of your comments regarding this prior to 2016?

You’ve talked about it so much I’m sure it was a common talking point that should be easy to track down

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And all of them were gone when Miles took over in 05, after which LSU truly became a consistent player on the national stage, not just in state.

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LSU, from that point on, has never struggled to attract talent. And that has gone on through 3 different coaches.

I have no clue what your point is