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re: Length of time it took recent most successful head coaches to win a Nati (6.5-9 years)
Posted on 8/7/25 at 11:31 am to TheDeathValley
Posted on 8/7/25 at 11:31 am to TheDeathValley
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Kelly had 39 scholarship players when he took over in November of 2021.
This silly lie has been repeated over and over by the mouthbreathers on here.
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The 2022 roster was ranked high because:
Kelly signed
Daniels
Perkins
Wingo
Lacy
Campbell
The 2021 roster was the 5th most talented in college football if you want to go back to the year before BK took over. Anyway you slice it, BK took over a program that was coming off of a national championship two (full) seasons prior and an undisputed top 10 program in the country.
As you astutely pointed out, he was able to come in his first year and pull in multiple 5* recruits and put together yet another top 10 roster in the country. Yet, he has failed to sniff a playoff birth in his first 3 seasons. Maybe this is the year.....
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Posted on 8/7/25 at 12:13 pm to UpToPar
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Kelly had 39 scholarship players when he took over in November of 2021.
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This silly lie has been repeated over and over by the mouthbreathers on here.
On3 Article
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The LSU Tigers are in the midst of their spring ball practices with a lot of new faces this year, and one of them is new Tigers head coach Brian Kelly. Kelly has been hard at work rebuilding LSU’s roster in such a short time, using the transfer portal, and increasing the number of scholarship players. On Friday, Kelly explained his plan to build the Tigers roster going forward.
“As I said, you know, on January fourth we had 39 scholarship players, 39. On August 4th, when we report our first day, we’re going to get to 84. We might not get to 85, but we’re going to be at 84. So we’ll get the roster back to where it needs to be in very short order. You know, mid-years, as you know, we took 17; that is not how I will build a program here at LSU year and a year out. But we needed to address that gap that I just mentioned to you,” said Kelly.
Posted on 8/7/25 at 12:22 pm to GeauxTigers0107
Well, if BK said it then it must be true!!! His statement below is both a lie and is missing context. We had more than 39 scholarship players on the roster on January 4, its just that a number of them decided to sit out of a meaningless bowl game (including Nuss). He's not counting those players in that number. It's a silly lie that has been repeated consistently by people that are incapable of forming a thought of their own in an attempt to downplay the state of the program when BK took over.
Posted on 8/7/25 at 12:29 pm to UpToPar
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Well, if BK said it then it must be true!!!
Where did I say it was true? I just remember reading that back then.
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His statement below is both a lie and is missing context. We had more than 39 scholarship players on the roster on January 4
Show your work then.
And look, I'm not trying to argue with you. You may very well be right. I'd just like you to back up the claim for accuracy's sake.
Posted on 8/7/25 at 12:47 pm to GeauxTigers0107
Others already have. Search the topic on here. It's been refuted numerous times.
Posted on 8/7/25 at 12:47 pm to UpToPar
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Well, if BK said it then it must be true!!! His statement below is both a lie and is missing context. We had more than 39 scholarship players on the roster on January 4, its just that a number of them decided to sit out of a meaningless bowl game (including Nuss). He's not counting those players in that number. It's a silly lie that has been repeated consistently by people that are incapable of forming a thought of their own in an attempt to downplay the state of the program when BK took over.
Quite frankly, you are a dumbass.
You said LSU was coming off a National Championship in 2019 but also failed to mention that LSU went 6-6 and 6-7 immediately following.
Compare the final roster from the 2021 season and the start of the 2022 season and tell me how many players were on both teams.
Posted on 8/7/25 at 12:56 pm to TheDeathValley
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Quite frankly, you are a dumbass.
K.
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You said LSU was coming off a National Championship in 2019 but also failed to mention that LSU went 6-6 and 6-7 immediately following.
It's common knowledge that 2020 and 2021 were terrible years, but that has less to do with the talent on the roster and more to do with the fact that Coach O couldn't coach his way out of a wet paper bag without a roster full of future NFL pro-bowlers.
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Compare the final roster from the 2021 season and the start of the 2022 season and tell me how many players were on both teams.
Why? I already told you that the 2022 roster was amongst the top 10 in the country. You just don't want to believe it because it doesn't fit your narrative.
Posted on 8/7/25 at 1:08 pm to UpToPar
The roster in November of any previous season is never the same roster you start the next season with. This is just another nebulous and irrelevant narrative rant posters tell themselves to cope.
Posted on 8/7/25 at 1:34 pm to UpToPar
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Why? I already told you that the 2022 roster was amongst the top 10 in the country. You just don't want to believe it because it doesn't fit your narrative.
It BECAME a top 10 roster. That is the whole point. Kelly didn't inherit a Top 10 roster. He inherited a handful of players. He went out and built a talented roster.
Posted on 8/7/25 at 1:37 pm to Madking
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The roster in November of any previous season is never the same roster you start the next season with. This is just another nebulous and irrelevant narrative rant posters tell themselves to cope.
Nobody is "coping". The point is Ryan Day and Kirby Smart took over a program that was already humming. Kelly took over a team that had back to back loosing seasons and a handful of returning players.
Night and day difference.
Posted on 8/7/25 at 1:39 pm to TheDeathValley
He played his games with a top 10 roster in his first season. Make all the excuses and deflections you want to but the roster he had for the games was very, very good.
Btw Kirby’s first team was #18 so you’re incorrectly describing those other teams as well.
Btw Kirby’s first team was #18 so you’re incorrectly describing those other teams as well.
This post was edited on 8/7/25 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 8/7/25 at 1:54 pm to TheDeathValley
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It BECAME a top 10 roster.
Okay, so we agree that Kelly was working with a top 10 roster in 2022, correct? We certainly didn't get top 10 results.
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That is the whole point. Kelly didn't inherit a Top 10 roster.
You said Kelly inherited a dumpster fire. It's your position that Kelly turned a dumpster fire into a top 10 roster in just a few months, or were you maybe exaggerating a bit?
Posted on 8/7/25 at 2:14 pm to UpToPar
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Others already have. Search the topic on here.
Ok. Back from my hour and a half search. Because I'm genuinely curious on what is true. And I have to say, all I found were a couple of posters like you who said, nahhhhh...that's not true!!! He had more than that!!! No links provided, no nothing. Just opinions. Conversely, I found numerous national articles stating that in fact, he did only have 39 scholarship players when he took over.
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It's been refuted numerous times.
After an hour and a half of searching, that just simply is not true.
Unless I suck at searching...which is also possible.
Posted on 8/7/25 at 2:17 pm to GeauxTigers0107
Here was the LSU Depth Chart for the Texas Bowl that year:
Posted on 8/7/25 at 2:22 pm to UpToPar
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Sure it does. In fact, those rankings are largely based off the roster he inherited.
Hmm. Over 50% of the roster turned over. But hey, sure, Kelly had no part in the 2022 talent, and certainly inherited a championship caliber roster from CEO.
2022 Roster
27 Incoming Transfers
28 Incoming Freshman
6 Walk-ons
~13 Returning "Starters"
114 Players on the roster, ~54% new from the 2021 to 2022 season.
Transfers In:
Sevyn Banks
Mekhi Garner
Kyren Lacy
Greg Brooks Jr.
Jayden Daniels
Mike Jones Jr.
Ali Gaye
Joe Foucha
Quad Wilson
Jay Bramblett
Noah Cain
Colby Richardson
Jarrick Bernard-Converse
Kolbe Fields
Gregory Clayton Jr.
Major Burns
West Weeks
Matt Jayne
Slade Roy
Trey Finison
MJ Frazier
Tre'Mond Shorts
Brian Balestra
Miles Frazier
Evan Francioni
Mekhi Wingo
Princeton Malbrue
Freshman
Walker Howard
George Hamsley
Jordan Allen
Landon Ibieta
Kolbe Fields
Laterrance Welch
Cowinn Helaire
Jaelyn Davis-Robinson
Nathan Dibert
DeMario Tolan
Javen Nicholas
Malachi Lane
Harold Perkins Jr.
Jake Davis
Emery Jones Jr.
Seth Marcione
Brian Balestra
Deshaun Richardson
Will Campbell
Bo Bordelon
Fitzgerald West Jr.
Jack McDevitt
Mason Taylor
Kells Bush
Quency Wiggins
Princeton Malbrue
Tygee Hill
Wes Woodward
Returning Players
Maason Smith
John Emery Jr.
Todd Harris Jr.
Jay Ward
Kayshon Boutte
Desmond Little
Malik Nabers
Jaray Jenkins
Brian Thomas Jr.
Derrick Davis Jr.
Tavion Faulk
Garrett Nussmeier
Matthew Langlois
Matt O'Dowd
Sage Ryan
Zavier Carter
Chris Hilton Jr.
BJ Ojulari
Armoni Goodwin
Micah Baskerville
Corren Norman
Damarius McGhee
Josh Williams
Greg Penn III
Everett Garard
Damian Ramos
Sai'vion Jones
Dylan Brown
Nick Demas
Hunter Faust
RJ Willis
Peyton Todd
Raydarious Jones
Ezekeal Mata
Ralph Walker
Lane Blue
GiVanni Peterson
Aristotle Abraham II
Sloan Wright
Jonathan Ferguson
Kimo Makane'ole
Jared Small
Kardell Thomas
Cameron Wire
Lanson Smith
Joshua Billedeaux
Charles Turner III
Xavier Hill
Garrett Dellinger
Marcus Dumervil
Anthony Bradford
Marlon Martinez
Jack Bech
Bryce Langston
Jack Mashburn
Gabe Leonards
Noah Nash
Nick Storz
Kole Taylor
Jack Rilling
Jacobian Guillory II
Jaquelin Roy
Previous "starters" ( I use start loosely because this is 1 start are more. Majority had 5 or fewer starts...)
John Emery - Did not play in 2021, 11 in 2022
Kayshon Boutte 6 games in 2021, 11 in 2022
Malik Nabers 11 games in 2021, 14 in 2022
Jack Bech 13 games in 2021, 12 in 2022
Charles Turner 4 GP in 2021, 12 GP in 2022
Cameron Wire 9 GP in 2021, 7 GP in 2022
Alie Gaye 4 GP 2021, 13 GP 2022
Bj Ojulari 13 GP in 2021, 11 GP in 2022
Jacquelin Roy 13 GP in 2021, 13 GP in 2022
Maason Smith 9 GP in 2021, 1 GP in 2022
Mike Jones 13 GP in 2021, 14 GP in 2022
Greg Penn 10 GP in 2021, 14 GP in 2022
Jay Ward 11 GP in 2021, 13 GP in 2022
LINK
This post was edited on 8/7/25 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 8/7/25 at 2:25 pm to UpToPar
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Here was the LSU Depth Chart for the Texas Bowl that year:
Well the depth chart is not really accurate, because Nuss sure as hell didn't start and Tavion Faulk certainly didn't play QB.
Posted on 8/7/25 at 2:27 pm to TheDeathValley
Ali Gaye got here in 2020, Mike Jones 2021 and I’m sure there’s more incorrectly listed. Kelly’s first year had 19 transfers and 15 freshman
LINK
LINK
This post was edited on 8/7/25 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 8/7/25 at 2:45 pm to Alt26
True but none of those Coaches above have won a Natty since NIL has drastically changed everything. The 2 LSU coaches won their nattys with HS recruits and older transfers.
Les won with Saban’s players
O won with Les’s players and lightning in a bottle. Burrow
Without NIL CBK would have BU, Moore, Stewart, Collins, just to name a few that took the check.
NIL changed everything Hell it ran the GOAT out of a Dynasty
Les won with Saban’s players
O won with Les’s players and lightning in a bottle. Burrow
Without NIL CBK would have BU, Moore, Stewart, Collins, just to name a few that took the check.
NIL changed everything Hell it ran the GOAT out of a Dynasty
Posted on 8/7/25 at 3:10 pm to Madking
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Ali Gaye got here in 2020, Mike Jones 2021 and I’m sure there’s more incorrectly listed. Kelly’s first year had 19 transfers and 15 freshman
FWIW I downloaded the roster from the official LSU page then used a pivot table in excel.
Posted on 8/7/25 at 3:15 pm to UpToPar
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Kelly got a full on dumpster fire.
2022 Team Composite Rankings: LSU #8
Notice how it says "72 commits" on ours compared to everyone else around us having 82-85? We were severely lacking in depth that year. To be 10-13 scholarship players down compared to basically every talented roster around us is not anything to overlook.
Not to mention the defensive talent was a far cry from where we're at today. Take a look at every defensive player who played at least 100 snaps that season and where they got drafted:
1. S Greg Brooks (867 snaps) - undrafted
2. DT Mekhi Wingo (821 snaps) - 6th round
3. CB Mekhi Garner (777 snaps) - undrafted
4. DE BJ Ojulari (747 snaps) - 2nd round
5. LB Micah Baskerville (709 snaps) - undrafted
6. DT Jaquelin Roy (675 snaps) - 5th round
7. CB Jarrick Bernard-Converse (657 snaps) - 6th round
8. Greg Penn III (653 snaps) - undrafted
9. CB/S Jay Ward (634 snaps) - 4th round
10. DE Ali Gaye (533 snaps) - undrafted
11. LB Harold Perkins Jr. (513 snaps) - playing in 4th year this year, was a freshman
12. S Joe Foucha (439 snaps) - undrafted
13. S Major Burns (395 snaps) - undrafted
14. CB Colby Richardson (364 snaps) - undrafted
15. CB/S Sage Ryan ( 319 snaps) - playing in 4th year this year, was a freshman
16. DE Sai'vion Jones (278 snaps) - 3rd round
17. DT Jacobian Guillory (237 snaps) - playing in 6th year this year
18. LB Mike Jones Jr. (207 snaps) - undrafted
19. LB West Weeks (163 snaps) - playing in 5th year this year
Thats zero 1st rounders, 1 in 2nd round, 1 in 3rd round...and the 3rd rounder didnt exactly play a ton. Also notice only 19 total players played at least 100 snaps that season on defense. We had 25 players play at least 100 snaps on defense last season by comparison. Keep in mind, we played 14 games in 2022, compared to just 13 in 2024 as well. We were SEVERELY lacking not only some top end talent, but depth as well. To have a DT play over 800 snaps in a season is insane.
This post was edited on 8/7/25 at 3:33 pm
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