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re: Lee's first pick in 11-05 Bama game
Posted on 7/12/12 at 11:22 am to BigDropper
Posted on 7/12/12 at 11:22 am to BigDropper
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That's so much bs. He played a total of 11 plays. He was responsible for 2 firstdowns in those 11 plays. He got a bad snap, and rushed a throw.
I like Lee, but he threw into double coverage on both picks
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Did not see the field again for a long time, and when he did, first play they have him throwing fairly deep over the middle again.
As a QB, Lee should have read the double coverage and checked down. Any QB needs to do this to be effective. Doesn't matter if he was had played the previous series or not.
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You don't like him...fine...I didn't think he was great either....but a hell of a lot better than the alternative.
This is where you really lost me. We would not have won the first Bama game without JJ. That doesn't mean that JJ was the best choice in other games, but for that one he was. Don't preach to others about "not liking Lee" when your dislike for JJ clearly skewed your opinion of the reality of that situation.
Personally, I think 2011 was a great season for the Tigers and 2012 is going to be even better!
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Posted on 7/12/12 at 11:33 am to AlLSU8
Lee reserved his worst games for Bama. He had some doozies against them in his career.
That said, I agree with the OP about Shep, who never showed much interest in playing tough over the middle. But I don’t think it’s his fault per se, it’s just trying to cram a square peg in a round hole. We need to use him as a guy in space. Get him the ball on those quick screens or in the open field, where he can then use his playmaking ability. Asking Shep to fight for a ball over the middle is a failure of play design.
Over the middle? Throw to ODB.
That said, I agree with the OP about Shep, who never showed much interest in playing tough over the middle. But I don’t think it’s his fault per se, it’s just trying to cram a square peg in a round hole. We need to use him as a guy in space. Get him the ball on those quick screens or in the open field, where he can then use his playmaking ability. Asking Shep to fight for a ball over the middle is a failure of play design.
Over the middle? Throw to ODB.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 12:52 pm to Baloo
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Lee reserved his worst games for Bama. He had some doozies against them in his career.
Got to hand it to him coming off of the bench in 2010 - if Lee's not there, we lose that game.
Overall, though, your point is well-taken - take away all of the Bama games, and Lee's stats look much better - which is why the decision not to play him on 1/9 makes sense, sort of - I agree with the consensus "It couldn't be any worse, give him a chance" logic, while at the same time recognizing that Bama, over all other opponents he faced, had Lee's number.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 1:14 pm to FlyingTiger06
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I don't want this to be a JJ vs JL thread
Well whataya know
Posted on 7/12/12 at 1:23 pm to Ace Midnight
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Overall, though, your point is well-taken - take away all of the Bama games, and Lee's stats look much better - which is why the decision not to play him on 1/9 makes sense, sort of - I agree with the consensus "It couldn't be any worse, give him a chance" logic, while at the same time recognizing that Bama, over all other opponents he faced, had Lee's number.
You know, the more I think about it, the more I need to apologize for posting in a thread about a game that was meaningless.
Really, who cares? LSU won anyway. What did it get us? An extra game and a rematch against a divisional rival.
Part of me sometimes wishes we would have lost this game and played in the Sugar Bowl, which is were we would have belonged for not even being able to win our division. That would have been better for the LSU fan base, and more importantly, better for the entire sport of CFB.
CFB is screwed for years to come thanks to LSU winning this game. I know that is odd to say, but it's the truth. 11/5/11 is another LSU game I need to block out of my mind forever, and will starting now.
This post was edited on 7/12/12 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 7/12/12 at 1:43 pm to Baloo
quote:He wasn't so bad in the 2010 game.
Lee reserved his worst games for Bama
No INTs and he hit Rueben for the 50yd game sealer, after JJ had hit him for 75yd TD earlier.
I think I glimpsed a tiny smile from Randle that day.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 7:12 pm to Ace Midnight
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He is not a natural WR - he is a space player, "slash" player or whatever you want to call him. How he never made a splash in the return game is beyond me (but he gets one last chance, this year). He would be better used as out of the backfield, moving from behind the QB, to H-back, to slot and causing the defense to account for him in a number of places.
Agree 1000%.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 7:20 pm to Topwater Trout
There's nothing wrong with me. Apparently you didn't read any of my requests for this to not be about JJ vs JL. Apparently others didn't either. My point would have been the same if I noticed Shep do the same thing with JJ as the QB.
You guys whine about whether or not JL threw a bad pass or not. I'm not concerned with that. Hell, McCarron through a terrible pass into double coverage in the endzone but, instead of getting intercepted the Bama receiver (Kenny Bell) ducked inside of Claiborne and knocked it away.
You guys whine about whether or not JL threw a bad pass or not. I'm not concerned with that. Hell, McCarron through a terrible pass into double coverage in the endzone but, instead of getting intercepted the Bama receiver (Kenny Bell) ducked inside of Claiborne and knocked it away.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 7:25 pm to FlyingTiger06
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You guys whine about whether or not JL threw a bad pass or not. I'm not concerned with that. Hell, McCarron through a terrible pass into double coverage in the endzone but, instead of getting intercepted the Bama receiver (Kenny Bell) ducked inside of Claiborne and knocked it away.
It was impossible for Shep to make any play on the ball. You can't expect your receiver to get inside on that play, it was a seam route not a slant. Bad read and bad throw had nothing to do with the receiver.
If you want to state that Shep is a bad route runner, fine, but that play is not an example of it. At all
Posted on 7/12/12 at 7:33 pm to FlyingTiger06
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Hell, McCarron through a terrible pass into double coverage in the endzone but, instead of getting intercepted the Bama receiver (Kenny Bell) ducked inside of Claiborne and knocked it away.
1. Taylor overran it much different than the Bama safety who was running right at Lee's pass
2. It's a lot easier for the receiver to adjust to the inside when the corner doesn't have inside position. Taylor overrunnning it allowed him to adjust
3. It's easier for the receiver to adjust to a ball thrown 50 yards than one thrown 15 yards
1:32:25
This post was edited on 7/12/12 at 7:36 pm
Posted on 7/12/12 at 8:04 pm to FlyingTiger06
Cool, now you are blaming the int on shep
Posted on 7/12/12 at 8:18 pm to Burt Reynolds
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Cool, now you are blaming the int on shep
You guys are missing my entire point. Stop looking at this as if there needs to be blame for the INT. I don't care. We all want to blame the playcalling, the QBs, and lots of other excuses for him not having many catches last year. Has anyone stopped to wonder if he just wasn't open because he didn't run good routes? I was watching the replay of that game and when that play was shown, it stood out to me. That's the only reason I picked that play as an example.
Since every fricking thread about last year turns in to a JJ vs JL argument, I'll stop posting on this thread and just let it die. My apologies for assuming that we could get past that stupid shite and focus on the players who will be back in 2012 and are expected to step up and carry us to a Nat'l Championship.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 8:20 pm to FlyingTiger06
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You guys are missing my entire point. Stop looking at this as if there needs to be blame for the INT. I don't care. We all want to blame the playcalling, the QBs, and lots of other excuses for him not having many catches last year. Has anyone stopped to wonder if he just wasn't open because he didn't run good routes? I was watching the replay of that game and when that play was shown, it stood out to me. That's the only reason I picked that play as an example.
You picked an atrocious play to prove that point.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 8:24 pm to Akit1
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I'm confident Shep will turn it around this year.
YOur basing this on?
Posted on 7/12/12 at 8:53 pm to FlyingTiger06
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Has anyone stopped to wonder if he just wasn't open because he didn't run good routes?
No, not on that play.
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was watching the replay of that game and when that play was shown, it stood out to me. That's the only reason I picked that play as an example
That's a terrible terrible terrible example
Posted on 7/12/12 at 10:34 pm to VC
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It's hilarious when i read things like this from armchair qb's. Hell, the pros make bad interceptions all the time. Lee was just on a different pedestal and people SOME people were waiting all year for him to finally screw up....and when he did.....full attack mode. Sad really. LSU finally had a pretty darn good, efficient offense for most of the year last year.....but that never mattered to SOME.
I believe you are a moron who lacks reading comprehension and jumps to fanciful conclusions.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 10:39 pm to saintsfan22
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1. Taylor overran it much different than the Bama safety who was running right at Lee's pass
2. It's a lot easier for the receiver to adjust to the inside when the corner doesn't have inside position. Taylor overrunnning it allowed him to adjust
3. It's easier for the receiver to adjust to a ball thrown 50 yards than one thrown 15 yards
1:32:25
Thanks for including the link to the game.
In regards to the OP, it looked like Lee simply didn't see the safety... probably because of the low / dropped snap. Otherwise it was where Lee wanted it. No hurt from previous set of downs... not "scared" as some posters like to throw stones. Just a missed play. I don't see what Shep should have done differently.
Secondly, I appreciate seeing the game again as I could see how LSU was moving the ball well and got into Alabama's territory on the first drive of the game! The for whatever reason they went away from the run.
Ironically the networks were showing a montage of LSU RB's at the time. 
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