re: L. Landry in for Mahtook

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the fact that he was cramping up all game long

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What does "all game long" mean? He got a cramp when he chased down that long ball, he got some IV fluids during their next at bat, and he didn't show any more signs of a cramp the rest of the night. What made you think he, "was cramping up all game long?"

We've heard from Lester that he was cramping all game long, shitting his pants, and questioning himself. Obviously Mahtook had a lot going on last night.

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Lester, the point is that you thought you saw something that plainly was NOT there.

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no, it was there. I already said i'd say the same thing 10 times over.

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He was not overwhelmed because "overwhelmed" does not mean coming through with a clutch hit in a great at bat

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when you looked overwhelmed in your first 5 AB's, even when he somehow punched the single to right, chances are you prob feel the same way in your last AB.

TX pitcher had him on the ropes even in that AB. Coach or the catcher made a ball call to throw the curve.

shite, even Orel Hershiser said it

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something Mainieri clearly recognized and you clearly did not.

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It doesn't mean that at all. At that point in the 11th, we didnt really have any options to pinch hit for him anyway.


this thread was started way before that. So don't try and comment about it.


shite this thread was prob started before Mahtook had his first hit.

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Hanging a pitch has nothing to do with location.

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yes, it does. It has everything to do with it.


you cant hang a curve ball when its in the dirt.


you hang a curveball when its belt high, right in the hitting zone.


that ball was hung. Clearly. no if's, and's, or but's

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You should look up what it means to "hang" a curveball.

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im dying to hear your definition.

please, go right ahead.......

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didnt look like he was thriving last night until that last AB

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It was game one of the CWS Championship series, so it was a pressure situation. Mahtook was 2-6, so he batted .333 which is pretty good and better than his season average. Ergo, Mikie thrived under pressure last night. Refusing to acknowledge that reality simply belies a complete lack of understanding of statistics, probabilities, averages and baseball.

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thats the whole point. You could see he was questioning himself at that point.

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No, the whole point is whether there was anything about those first 3 at bats that showed that he wouldn't come through on the rest of them. You obviously believed there was. Equally obviously, there wasn't.

gotta agree with lester..never seen a curveball hung in the dirt haha..breaking pitches are usually hung becuase a pitcher is trying so hard to make the perfect pitch in the perfect location that they tend to "hang" a breaking ball in the middle of the plate

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no, it was there.

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If it was there, he could not have gotten two hits. That's the point. What you claimed was there was something the would keep him from being productive. And it was not something that would keep him from being productive (unless you were just suggesting he be pulled for no reason at all).

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when you looked overwhelmed in your first 5 AB's, even when he somehow punched the single to right, chances are you prob feel the same way in your last AB.

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But he didn't. Whatever he was feeling clearly did not overwhelm him because he came through, period. If you come through and produce, you are not overwhelmed. You may be afraid that you'll be overwhelmed, you may be close to overwhelmed, but you are not overwhelmed.

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TX pitcher had him on the ropes even in that AB. Coach or the catcher made a ball call to throw the curve.
shite, even Orel Hershiser said it

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So I guess that guy who said it was a great at bat just doesn't know anything?

You can't have it both ways. Either he had a great at bat (which you've already said he did), OR he was overwhelmed and unable to produce. It cannot be both.

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It doesn't mean that at all. At that point in the 11th, we didnt really have any options to pinch hit for him anyway.
this thread was started way before that. So don't try and comment about it

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Mainieri had the opportunity to put Landry in his place at the time this thread was started and when you were making your initial comments. What I'm saying is that at that time -- after Mahtook had struggled in 3 at bats which you believed proved he wouldn't recover and produce later -- Mainieri had seen something (most likely, in the months of practice and games he'd been coaching Mahtook, rather than just those three at bats) that told him Mikie could still come back and produce. Mikie did in fact come back and produce, so it is absolutely proven that he could. So the suggestion that he wouldn't is proven wrong, as is the suggestion that he couldn't. So unless you were suggesting that he be benched because he would get two hits in his next three at bats, you were wrong.

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im dying to hear your definition.

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Ok, I will look it up and you can admit you are clueless.

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To throw a curveball correctly, proper spin must be given to the ball as it is released. Generally pitchers grip the ball deeper into their palm and fingers than they would a fastball. Pitchers usually position their index finger aside one of the ball's raised seams for more leverage in spinning the baseball. At the release point they then roll their hand over the top of the ball to throw it forward with downspin. If this movement is poorly executed the ball will have lazy spin, not break in flight, and be much easier to hit—the "hanging curve".

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LINK

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The further you release from your body, the less resistance your middle finger will have on the seam and therefore your rotation will be looser. Loose rotation curveballs tend to spin or hang.

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Notice no mention of location, but it will only get mentioned if it is in a hittable location because that is the only time it matters.

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Notice no mention of location

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Of course you had to look it up. And Im clueless.


answer me this, can you hang a curve ball in the dirt?

simple question, yes or no.