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re: L. Landry in for Mahtook

Posted on 6/23/09 at 2:28 pm to
Posted by Stromile Swift
Houston
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Posted on 6/23/09 at 2:28 pm to
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LL is a great center feilder last year he made espn highlights twice, and has a good batting average.


Mahtook has made ESPN highlights at least twice in this post-season. Maybe you haven't noticed, but Leon isn't perfect in the outfield either. What is Landry's current batting average?
Posted by beardedzeus
NOLA
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 6/23/09 at 2:29 pm to
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Helinihi was by far the weakest link last night. Since we're on the subject of struggling.


+1
I can get on board with pinch hitting for him. He has 1 hit in Omaha and is a .270 hitter. Putting Hanover in for him would mean brining up a hitter who is hitting 50 pts higher. Pinch hitting for Mahtook is just a real head scratcher. But I guess it makes sense. It isn't like it paid off or anything.
It's also not like Mahtook was hitting .410 in the CWS going into that game.




This post was edited on 6/23/09 at 2:33 pm
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 6/23/09 at 2:40 pm to
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If you think he hung that curve, go watch it again.



that ball was hung

the ones he struck Hanover and Helenihi out with were not hung.

they were in the dirt.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 6/23/09 at 2:41 pm to
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Pinch hitting for a .240 hitter (your 9 hole hitter)is not the same as pinch hitting for your 5 hole hitter who is hitting about 100 points higher than Nola



It's not all about that idiot.

you pull Nola, and the whole defense gets switched.

you put DJ at SS, Hanover(OMG HE SUCKS AT DEF!!!!) at 2B, and a 5'8" Schimpf at 1B.

going into extra innings.


so dont give me that shite. Nola is just as important as Mahtook and he didnt hesitate to yank him.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 6/23/09 at 2:42 pm to
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What adventures are you talking about? That kid has been solid all year in CF except for that ONE dropped ball.



a) he was cramping

b)he looked completely lost on 2 balls hit out to him. One he did like 2 360's before eventually catching the ball.
Posted by baseballguy24
baton rouge
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 6/23/09 at 2:42 pm to
those 2 breakin balls to helenihi and havover were really good pitches..designed to do exactly what they did was go in the dirt..he did what pitchers do..changes hitteres eye levels with fastballs up and then get them to chase a pitchers pitch
Posted by iknowmorethanyou
Paydirt
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Posted on 6/23/09 at 2:42 pm to
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12719 posts
Posted on 6/23/09 at 2:43 pm to
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to Lester's defense, Mahtook had a pretty terrible night before the clutch hit.
Yeah. Every batter has a terrible night besides their hits. When a guy goes 2-5 he bats .400 and has a terrible night for 3 at bats.

The point is, people were drawing some ridiculous conclusions from amateur observations that were proven quite erroneous when Mikie ended up 2-6 (better than his season batting average) with an RBI.
quote:

Had he produced at his previous 4 at-bats maybe we wouldn't have been in the situation requiring a comeback.
Yes, it's true; had he batted 1.000 we would have been in better shape. That's also true of Dean, Schimpf, Todd Walker, Barry Bonds, Ted Williams and Babe Ruth.

Posted by lsuguy13
RIP MATT
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Posted on 6/23/09 at 2:44 pm to
gotta take into account that manaieri knows mikie has thrived in pressure his whole life though. thats why he didnt take him out
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12719 posts
Posted on 6/23/09 at 2:45 pm to
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he had K'd 3 times and the hit he had was pure luck
Both of them? Riiiiight. Couldn't have anything to do with the fact that he's a .326 hitter, meaning he usually gets about 2 hits for every 6 at bats . . . .

Posted by iknowmorethanyou
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Posted on 6/23/09 at 2:46 pm to
Lester knows baseball is a game of percentages. He's just not budging. Don't try.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 6/23/09 at 2:47 pm to
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those 2 breakin balls to helenihi and havover were really good pitches..designed to do exactly what they did was go in the dirt..he did what pitchers do..changes hitteres eye levels with fastballs up and then get them to chase a pitchers pitch


thanks Tom Emanski


had he thrown that same pitch again to Mahtook, or even another fastball, we prob wouldnt be having this discussion
Posted by baseballguy24
baton rouge
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 6/23/09 at 2:48 pm to
tom emanski did fielding videos...not pitching..haha but good try
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 6/23/09 at 2:48 pm to
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gotta take into account that manaieri knows mikie has thrived in pressure his whole life though.


didnt look like he was thriving last night until that last AB

thats the whole point. You could see he was questioning himself at that point.
Posted by Tigerdew
The Garden District of Da' Parish
Member since Dec 2003
14790 posts
Posted on 6/23/09 at 2:50 pm to
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a) he was cramping

b)he looked completely lost on 2 balls hit out to him. One he did like 2 360's before eventually catching the ball.



The cramping was fixed. The ball he did the two 360s on was hit directly over his head, to the warning track in a swirling wind. AND he caught it. I'd love to see how you would've handled that ball Lester.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
287899 posts
Posted on 6/23/09 at 2:50 pm to
the wind wasnt swirling though
Posted by beardedzeus
NOLA
Member since Mar 2006
4474 posts
Posted on 6/23/09 at 2:52 pm to
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thats the whole point. You could see he was questioning himself at that point.


You've now said he was feeling the pressure and questioning himself at that point. And he responded by getting 2 hits(including the biggest hit for LSU this season). So let's hope he continues to feel the pressure and question himself. And let's hope that PM (who knows the players better than anyone on this board)continues to have confidence in his players and doesn't make the illogical, insane decisions that some on this board would like for him to make.
Posted by Stromile Swift
Houston
Member since Sep 2003
43195 posts
Posted on 6/23/09 at 2:52 pm to
Besides the obvious "360" play, what other defensive play did he struggle with?


Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12719 posts
Posted on 6/23/09 at 2:53 pm to
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who looked overwhelmed all game, in the field and at the plate
Really? Because there was some guy that said:
quote:

the game winning hit was a great AB. No denying that. Guy hung the curve and Mahtook blasted it
Sounds like that guy didn't think Mikie looked "overwhelmed" all game at the plate.

Lester, the point is that you thought you saw something that plainly was NOT there. He was not overwhelmed because "overwhelmed" does not mean coming through with a clutch hit in a great at bat. He may have been nervous, or even frustrated, but overwhelmed means he did not overcome it (that's why it's called "OVERwhelmed"). Obviously he could and did overcome it, something Mainieri clearly recognized and you clearly did not. It's no big deal; all it means is that you were wrong and Mainieri was right. Admitting that proves nothing more than that you are a rational, emotional secure person with a healthy degree of maturity.

Posted by Tigerdew
The Garden District of Da' Parish
Member since Dec 2003
14790 posts
Posted on 6/23/09 at 2:55 pm to
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the wind wasnt swirling though



They showed the flags blowing straight to left one time. Then a few minutes later they were more towards left-center and then at one point they were whipping which means the winds were sort of swirling then. I'm guessing you would've tracked that sucker down and caught it with a few seconds to spare. A ball hit straight over the CF's head is one of the hardest balls to catch in the outfield.
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