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re: Kragthorpe and Jordan Jefferson
Posted on 4/4/11 at 12:56 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 4/4/11 at 12:56 am to RogerTheShrubber
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You don't have to be an SEC QB to know what a good SEC QB looks like.
Nor do you have to be a Hall of Famer to know that there are more variables that impact the QB position. Don't just call out the players without looking at the whole situation. If you do, then you'll come off as someone with an agenda or bias against that player(s). Some of the play is the player's fault, but take a peek into what could be allowing it to go on for three seasons. Don't stop on the back of these guys that are under the guidance of guys that have been in the football business for more than 100 yrs total and coached at the highest level (NFL). Don't give the coaches a pass. Krags is making a difference in his first month. So talk about the HC and the former OC as well.
As for a good SEC QB, Chris Low only thinks there is one for the upcoming season thus far (Aaron Murray). What does that say about the other 10 teams (aside from LSU) and their QB position? Do you think their fans are bashing their players every opportunity they get?
What does a good SEC Fan look like?
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Posted on 4/4/11 at 12:59 am to Sabertooth
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Don't just call out the players without looking at the whole situation.
Only and idiot would look at an objective evaluation of a performance and believe someone hates the player.
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If you do, then you'll come off as someone with an agenda or bias against that player(s)
I usually ignore dweebs who judge in this manner. It's obvious they don't have the cognitive ability to separate the performance from the player.
Posted on 4/4/11 at 1:23 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Anyone who one poster disagrees with we believe that person has an agenda....
Hell I know plenty of people who know more than myself and they've never played the game. I mean I know what to do but I never played QB but I can notice bad mechanics/footwork/release point/etc and I am sure others can as well.
Anyone can technically coach even those who don't know very much about the game as well.
Hell I know plenty of people who know more than myself and they've never played the game. I mean I know what to do but I never played QB but I can notice bad mechanics/footwork/release point/etc and I am sure others can as well.
Anyone can technically coach even those who don't know very much about the game as well.
Posted on 4/4/11 at 1:33 pm to gbeezy
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unlike you who has never thrown a football or had to read a defense let alone a playbook,
Let me know when Florida calls to hire you as their Offensive Coordinator. Oh, wait, they hired someone who had never thrown a football or read a defense, let alone a playbook during the years of their life that would be called "their playing days".
The "you never played the game" card is always a hilarious one.
Equitable to me saying, "You've never driven a Ferrari. You can't say sh!t about whether you like it more than a Lamborghini!"
Posted on 4/4/11 at 1:39 pm to ForeLSU
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maybe I can head them off at the pass... - Same old Miles crap, trying to prop up JJ - There was never going to be a competition - Seniority - JJ always looks great in the spring - Get JJ's sack out of your mouth - Great, if you like offense ranked in the 100's - First Jimbo, the Crowton, now Craigthorpe
fore comes through again 
Posted on 4/4/11 at 1:42 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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What sticks in my mind is JJ's role in helping LSU beat Bama with his passing, running, and blocking.
Followed up by doing the same vs. Old Miss and his 4 TD performance in helping us to win the Cotton Bowl and making LSU a Top 8 program for the year.
I'm hoping the light came on for him during that run and Krag can increase the brightness of that light...we will see.
So you admit to having a selective memory as well. You completely left out the ULM and Arkansas games that were "during that run" in which you hope the light came on for JJ. JJ followed up the Bama game with 4/10 for 51 0/0 against ULM. Why did you leave that game out? Arkansas he was solid imo, but couldn't get the ball in the endzone with numerous short fields provided by the defense and special teams. Kinda makes your argument seem harder to side with than Roger's inconsistency argument.
Posted on 4/4/11 at 1:45 pm to gbeezy
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ISugger--im not a JJ apologist, i coached the kid in high school
So you're probably too close to him to give an objective opinion right? I do value what you said about his mechanics though. You would know better than anyone else here if he has improved.
This post was edited on 4/4/11 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 4/4/11 at 4:12 pm to Sabertooth
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I still don't understand why so many do not put any responsibility on the millionaire coaches whose job it is to develop the players and put them in a position to succeed.
Did you read the Rant during the period of October 2008 through November 2010? Did you happen to notice that the offensive coordinator has been replaced?
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JJ does not only stand in the pocket and take hits as he's releasing the ball, he actually gives up his body to make downfield blocks for teammates advancing the ball.
While I have seen him blocking downfield, JJ's pocket awareness is abysmal. It just is. It's one thing to be willing to dish it out (no one is calling JJ a pussy), it's quite another thing to stop yourself from panicking when the pressure is coming and you have to ignore it to make the play.
If JJ has improved his pocket presence, that's awesome. But in 2009 he was so scared of throwing an INT and being Jarrett Lee 2.0 that he took sacks. When they tried to lessen the sacks, he failed to produce TDs. Maybe he's Goldilocks and 2011 will be just right. Let's all hope so.
Posted on 4/4/11 at 4:25 pm to Mike Linebacker
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If JJ has improved his pocket presence, that's awesome. But in 2009 he was so scared of throwing an INT and being Jarrett Lee 2.0 that he took sacks. When they tried to lessen the sacks, he failed to produce TDs. Maybe he's Goldilocks and 2011 will be just right. Let's all hope so.
I hope so. He will be the QB when LSU plays Oregon. A positive for LSU is that he usually opens the season OK, or has for the past two years so I think he will do ok vs UO. It's been a LONG journey for the LSU QB's but it's time JJ steps up and gets it right.
Posted on 4/4/11 at 4:34 pm to gbeezy
Timing is everything. Kragthorpe has found the perfect team to coach offense and LSU's offense is desperately starved for a good OC to lead an offensive juggernaut for 2011! 
Posted on 4/4/11 at 6:00 pm to gbeezy
Thanks for the update. I really don't care who starts at QB next year as long as I hear Jim Hawthorne say :TIGERS WIN, TIGERS WIN !
Posted on 4/4/11 at 8:43 pm to JJ27
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You completely left out the ULM
JJ/JL pretty much split that game with McCartney even playing QB in the final series, LSU was up 30-0 with 10 mins to go in the 3rd, and from that 10 min mark in the 3rd to the end JJ played one series.
If you really want to make a big deal over the QB play in a game like that, knock yourself out.
As to Ark, the pass D gave up 200 yds and 3 TDs in 3 plays. JJ made some mistakes, but that was the story of that game for the most part.
All I said was that I had hope for JJ to become more consistant based off his performance, for the most part, toward the end of the year starting with Bama. Nothing more and nothing less.
If others feel different, so be it...no skin off my nose.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:16 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I am not sure what a "troll" is.
I was simply waiting patiently all year for J Jeff to Shine in a big game so I could prove to some of you Haters that I knew what I was talking about.
J.Lee is a nice fellow with a nice smile, but Alabama was WAY too fast for his skill set.
For someone like J.Jeff, the game slows down immensely in his head, kind of like slow motion. He was able to see the play developing and react accordingly, whereas Lee is overwhelmed with the speed of the defense (chuck and pray mentality).
I think J.Lee will be fine against Ole Miss, but we are going to need J.Jeff to Stand Tall and Deliver against Arkansas, Georgia, and Boise State.
I was simply waiting patiently all year for J Jeff to Shine in a big game so I could prove to some of you Haters that I knew what I was talking about.
J.Lee is a nice fellow with a nice smile, but Alabama was WAY too fast for his skill set.
For someone like J.Jeff, the game slows down immensely in his head, kind of like slow motion. He was able to see the play developing and react accordingly, whereas Lee is overwhelmed with the speed of the defense (chuck and pray mentality).
I think J.Lee will be fine against Ole Miss, but we are going to need J.Jeff to Stand Tall and Deliver against Arkansas, Georgia, and Boise State.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 6:27 pm to thequad
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we are going to need J.Jeff to Stand Tall and Deliver against Arkansas, Georgia, and Boise State.
BOISE STATE????? The only way we see Boise State is if we lose in the SECCG. Otherwise it's Okie State, Stanford or Oregon (again
)in the BCSCG.Posted on 11/7/11 at 6:34 pm to thequad
quote:so it's ok to throw JLee under the bus?
For someone like J.Jeff, the game slows down immensely in his head, kind of like slow motion. He was able to see the play developing and react accordingly, whereas Lee is overwhelmed with the speed of the defense (chuck and pray mentality).
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