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Posted on 11/18/24 at 7:32 am to Geauxgurt
He chose the current staff. What makes you think he can choose wisely the next time.
Oh, and this damn team has had more coordinator turn over than just about any i can think of. Where is the stability we need.
Oh, and this damn team has had more coordinator turn over than just about any i can think of. Where is the stability we need.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 7:37 am to drizztiger
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This is on Woody and BK. You made your bed. I'm an accountability type.
Woody needs to be fired before BK. While the Jimbo contract didn't cost LSU, Woody needs to be held accountable for TWO stupid contracts. Let a new AD hire a new football coach in 2026.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 7:37 am to Geauxgurt
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finishing the season 6-7/quote]
First let him go 6-7.
[quote]Many clearly understand that Kelly won’t be fired no matter what happens these last 3 games. Even if LSU loses the next two and the bowl game, finishing the season 6-7 after a 6-1 start, he will not be fired.
Well he should not be 10-4, 10-3, SEC west title, Heisman QB...So one 6-7 season should not get him fired. Two 6-7 seasons...then we are talking.
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With that said, while he is a major issue, his staff is really the biggest one.
I think recruiting is bigger than staff. How he uses the portal and he needs to use it. Now that depends on how much NIL he has....that brings the buck to the fan base and their ability to pony up.
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Two unqualified co-OC’s that are going to be lifetime position coaches
Sloan did a good job with JD. Hankton was pretty good at Georgia. I would not rule them out as lifelong position coaches based on what I have seen. We have had worse head coaches here, more than one.
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possibly one with TE experience since our TEs did next to nothing outside of Taylor.
How many TE do you need to excel? TE do not make or break a program.
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OL coaching needs a shake up too.
This I will give you....Brad Davis is a hold out from the O era, may I remind you.
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On the defensive side of the ball
You are missing talent. That is the problem. That is 20% to do with recruiting and 80% to do with NIL. So pony up.
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, mainly need a new safeties coach
OK.
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With ..... luck in the portal, things can maybe get turned around. Without them, it will only be worse next year.
Operative word is portal....fire some players and hire some new ones.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 7:38 am to Geauxgurt
Yea man. Keep recycling coaches every year until you hit the jackpot.
Last year everyone on this board was jumping up and down because of all the great hires, now it’s fire everyone.
Not saying they aren’t at fault but they aren’t the ones on the field. The lack of depth seems to be the biggest weakness on this team.
One guy goes down and it’s complete failure, especially on the ol.
Last year everyone on this board was jumping up and down because of all the great hires, now it’s fire everyone.
Not saying they aren’t at fault but they aren’t the ones on the field. The lack of depth seems to be the biggest weakness on this team.
One guy goes down and it’s complete failure, especially on the ol.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 7:49 am to Relham10
Lol thanks for proving my point. All these coaching changes every year and you don’t think that effects player performance?? Lolololololol
Every safety has performed terribly yes even though the few we have are mostly 4 stars. Yes I know 4/5 stars don’t always work out to be 4/5 stars, but I have a hard time believing three 4 star safeties are all just terrible. That seems to point more towards a developmental / coaching issue.
Even if that were true in that they are terrible, then why or how did the coaching staff recruit them?!?! Can they not analyze talent either? So you see either way, it all points back to coaching! I’m sure you will argue that too.
The funniest statement yet though…”I’m not ready to blame Jake Olsen.” Lmfao Yea let’s not blame the guy that’s not even a real safeties coach and has very little experience coaching safeties. Lol Maybe you’re right though…maybe we shouldn’t blame him and we should blame the head clown who hired him back!
Every safety has performed terribly yes even though the few we have are mostly 4 stars. Yes I know 4/5 stars don’t always work out to be 4/5 stars, but I have a hard time believing three 4 star safeties are all just terrible. That seems to point more towards a developmental / coaching issue.
Even if that were true in that they are terrible, then why or how did the coaching staff recruit them?!?! Can they not analyze talent either? So you see either way, it all points back to coaching! I’m sure you will argue that too.
The funniest statement yet though…”I’m not ready to blame Jake Olsen.” Lmfao Yea let’s not blame the guy that’s not even a real safeties coach and has very little experience coaching safeties. Lol Maybe you’re right though…maybe we shouldn’t blame him and we should blame the head clown who hired him back!
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:18 am to sarussell01
I wouldn't be counting on this staff to do anything earth shattering in the Portal market. They've had literally one success in the period of time they have been here, and I'm beginning to think Daniels was a fluke signing. Most of the Portal signings have been non power 5 and 1AA transfers
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:30 am to Geauxgurt
Ain’t gonna happen. Best staff he’s ever had from recruiting standpoint. Get the players in coaches get better. It’s a phenomenon
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:41 am to Geauxgurt
There is no sense in urgency by Kelly. He likes hiring substandard people who are BBQ buddies.
Polian was a laughing stock at ND, Kelly brought him on was a disaster here.
Kelly hates spending money in the transfer portal.
Strength and conditioning coach needs to fired ASAP.
Dedicated Special teams coach
Sloan has no business being offensive coordinator.
Kelly is collecting 10M per year. He was given so much leeway at ND and he doesnt have the urgency.
Can you imagine completely wasting a talent like Jayden Daniels because of loyalty to BBQ buddies?
Polian was a laughing stock at ND, Kelly brought him on was a disaster here.
Kelly hates spending money in the transfer portal.
Strength and conditioning coach needs to fired ASAP.
Dedicated Special teams coach
Sloan has no business being offensive coordinator.
Kelly is collecting 10M per year. He was given so much leeway at ND and he doesnt have the urgency.
Can you imagine completely wasting a talent like Jayden Daniels because of loyalty to BBQ buddies?
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:46 am to LSURulzSEC
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its the talent.
No. It's not. At least not entirely. I think the Baker will be fine, but Olsen was a stupid hire, and has no business on this staff. his assigned unit is the worst on the team, and actually looks worse than last year, so please stop blaming the talent.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:49 am to IM_4_LSU
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I would be shocked if Kelly demoted or fired Joe Sloan. He is really not the issue. Has he made some errors? Sure but of all the issues that have come from this season the OC is the least of the concerns.
Sloan is a major part of the issues. He had no business being promoted to OC based on his resume. He's a QB coach. He's only called plays one other year in his career, and the entire staff at La Tech was fired after that season.
You can continue to try and deflect blame, but it was a bad hire from the start only done to try and keep Sloan happy in order to keep him here and get Underwood.
LSU should not be a place to train a play caller. It has failed every time they have done it, whether with Peetz and now with Sloan. They simply aren't qualified to do the job, but he got a shortcut that was not deserved.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 9:00 am to Mudminnow
It's basically 2 replacements and 2 demotions that need to take place within this staff again:
1) Demote Sloan back to QB coach
2) Demote Hankton back to WR coach/Passing Game coordinator if you must
3) Fire or demote Olsen to an anaylst position
4) FIre Nagle (guy has no business on this staff in any capacity.
Then you hire:
1) Qualified, proven OC
2) Legit Special teams coordinator
3) Either an actual safeties coach with good experience or a LBer coach and move Baker to help with the safeties.
In the end, you just need someone to help with the TEs, and that can either be filled by the OC or special teams coordinator.
This isn't complete overhaul, and would not cost that much money. You still keep your key recruiters in place and the freamwork, but you at least give yourself a reasonable shot at being a good to strong team next year.
Talent doesn't win jack. Look at the A&M teams under Jimbo. His last teams looked mediocre at best. Coaching is the key in this day and age, and you should never make a major hire (coordinator) that is unqualified to satisfy one recruit, no matter how good they are.
With this staff, you will win absolutely nothing of meaning, even if Underwood is as good as Daniels was.
1) Demote Sloan back to QB coach
2) Demote Hankton back to WR coach/Passing Game coordinator if you must
3) Fire or demote Olsen to an anaylst position
4) FIre Nagle (guy has no business on this staff in any capacity.
Then you hire:
1) Qualified, proven OC
2) Legit Special teams coordinator
3) Either an actual safeties coach with good experience or a LBer coach and move Baker to help with the safeties.
In the end, you just need someone to help with the TEs, and that can either be filled by the OC or special teams coordinator.
This isn't complete overhaul, and would not cost that much money. You still keep your key recruiters in place and the freamwork, but you at least give yourself a reasonable shot at being a good to strong team next year.
Talent doesn't win jack. Look at the A&M teams under Jimbo. His last teams looked mediocre at best. Coaching is the key in this day and age, and you should never make a major hire (coordinator) that is unqualified to satisfy one recruit, no matter how good they are.
With this staff, you will win absolutely nothing of meaning, even if Underwood is as good as Daniels was.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 9:15 am to Geauxgurt
He ain’t changing shite lol
Posted on 11/18/24 at 9:18 am to Geauxgurt
No matter what happens, we are in the midst of several mediocre to less then mediocre years of LSU football.
Baseball season hurry up.
Baseball season hurry up.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 3:40 pm to OchoDedos
I agree totally
Posted on 11/18/24 at 3:42 pm to HC87
Exactly!
Posted on 11/18/24 at 3:52 pm to Metariemobtiger
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Yea man. Keep recycling coaches every year until you hit the jackpot.
Last year everyone on this board was jumping up and down because of all the great hires, now it’s fire everyone.
This board just lazily blames everything on coaching. Meanwhile, the same folks can't differentiate between an RPO and read option.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 4:14 pm to Geauxgurt
So a 3rd DC, 3rd DB or 3rd OC in 4 years? Jesus that sounds like awful management by BK.
This post was edited on 11/18/24 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 11/18/24 at 4:17 pm to PureBlood
quote:Coach O had to deal with the covid season and Ryan Clarks bullshite. BK should not get any excuses because O wasn’t afforded any and got canned.
CBK is 6-4 with one of the most expensive staffs in the country. And according to his supporters, only LSU faces injuries and turnovers.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 4:33 pm to Geauxgurt
You can’t keep overhauling your staff every offseason
When that starts to happen the head coach is usually fired soon
Kelly has the school already still paying coaches he fired last offseason
When that starts to happen the head coach is usually fired soon
Kelly has the school already still paying coaches he fired last offseason
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