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re: Johnny had to call on "renowned sports psychologist" twice re: Chemistry issues
Posted on 3/12/16 at 5:55 pm to Tiger Ugly
Posted on 3/12/16 at 5:55 pm to Tiger Ugly
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CJJ has spoken to this several times this year, so he recognized this as an issue and possibly even a weakness of his, as is evidenced by your link. Still it only got worse. That's a hard thing to recover from. You can bring some new players next year, but this culture has been festering and growing for four years. Not an easy fix and not one I'm sure CJJ is capable of overseeing.
So what exactly happened? Who clashed with who? And who wasn't buying in?
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Posted on 3/12/16 at 5:55 pm to S
Wow...but Johnny wasn't doing anything to improve the team
Posted on 3/12/16 at 5:55 pm to S
Let me get this straight? The head coach had to call a shrink in to figure out how to "create a culture of accountability"? What the frick is the head coach doing? Isn't his goddamn job to create a culture of accountability?
That is problem #1 with Jones. There is no fricking accountably. Stupid plays in a game? He just stares off into space. Bad shot selection? Stares into space. No defensive rotation, ever? Stares into space. Dumb fouls? Stares into space. And it's the same issues game after game. It never gets fixed. If he can't figure out how to work with great talent, then get someone who can.
Unbelievable!!!
That is problem #1 with Jones. There is no fricking accountably. Stupid plays in a game? He just stares off into space. Bad shot selection? Stares into space. No defensive rotation, ever? Stares into space. Dumb fouls? Stares into space. And it's the same issues game after game. It never gets fixed. If he can't figure out how to work with great talent, then get someone who can.
Unbelievable!!!
Posted on 3/12/16 at 6:00 pm to S
Just sad to hear
Posted on 3/12/16 at 6:02 pm to LSUButt
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but Johnny wasn't doing anything to improve the team
It's a failed attempt at improving the team. He is not deserving of any benefit of the doubt at any level in any aspect of the program.
Posted on 3/12/16 at 6:05 pm to PiscesTiger
There isnt a leader on this team. Hornsby played hard and gave his all, but he was not a leader.
Posted on 3/12/16 at 6:05 pm to urinetrouble
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So what exactly happened? Who clashed with who? And who wasn't buying in?
Not privy to inside info on specifics, I only recognize the obvious that accountability and chemistry have issues here and have grown progressively worse resulting in the implosion we saw at the end of this year.
Posted on 3/12/16 at 7:06 pm to Tiger Ugly
Gotcha. It is obvious there is something going on with the team.
I thought maybe you knew someone close to the program.
I thought maybe you knew someone close to the program.
Posted on 3/12/16 at 7:21 pm to urinetrouble
I agree that there was a problem.
I just think this was a mentally fragile team and CJJ is simply over his head.
Still one problem was that this team wasn't nearly as talented as many want them to be.
Simmons was great. AB was good late in the year.Hornsby solid. What else?
CV was ok, but a fouling machine. What else?
I just think this was a mentally fragile team and CJJ is simply over his head.
Still one problem was that this team wasn't nearly as talented as many want them to be.
Simmons was great. AB was good late in the year.Hornsby solid. What else?
CV was ok, but a fouling machine. What else?
Posted on 3/12/16 at 7:34 pm to ROUSTER
The guard play was very inconsistent.
Victor was solid, when he was in the game.
The bench was very bad overall.
Victor was solid, when he was in the game.
The bench was very bad overall.
Posted on 3/12/16 at 7:50 pm to S
Blaming the players for his inadequacies is shameful.
Posted on 3/12/16 at 7:57 pm to ROUSTER
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Still one problem was that this team wasn't nearly as talented as many want them to be.
I think there was enough talent to make the NCAA Tournament, which is about the football equivalent of going to the Independence bowl as you have to be about the 45-48th best team in the country to gain entry.
I think the issue was some of the support players like Epps, Patterson and Gray were talented enough to be solid contributors or role players if there was a system in place to put them in the best positions to do so. I just think the team dynamic so dysfunctional and there was no foundation to provide the pathway for them to find those roles. I'd put Samson in there too the way he looked early but he lost his confidence and never got it back.
Posted on 3/12/16 at 7:58 pm to Alt26
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The head coach had to call a shrink in to figure out how to "create a culture of accountability"? What the frick is the head coach doing? Isn't his goddamn job to create a culture of accountability?
exactly. When a coach has to call in an outside "expert" to handle his team, there's a real problem at the top. This is the coach's job.
Posted on 3/12/16 at 8:10 pm to Tiger Ugly
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I think the issue was some of the support players like Epps, Patterson and Gray were talented enough to be solid contributors or role players if there was a system in place to put them in the best positions to do so. I just think the team dynamic so dysfunctional and there was no foundation to provide the pathway for them to find those roles.
I definitely agree about Patterson. He was one of our most solid contributors down the stretch last year and he just never found any semblance of an identity on this team. I'm sure he wasn't happy about his playing time. There were many games in SEC play where he would sit most of the 2nd half. Being hurt to start the year didn't help.
Gray was always wildly inconsistent. Last year and this year.
Epps is pretty lacking IMO. Very weak on D. For as tall as he is, he'd get pushed around and caught out of position. He had decent skills on offensive, but wasn't much of a spark other than the Kentucky game.
Posted on 3/12/16 at 8:19 pm to urinetrouble
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Gray was always wildly inconsistent. Last year and this year.
More accountability and he could've helped. He could D up and could take guys off the dribble better than anyone on the team. But Johnny could never tame the wildness or put him in the right position to use his strengths.
quote:I actually think he has some skills but I think you have to use him in roles, like if you press or half-court trap use his length and athleticism there.
Epps is pretty lacking IMO.
Run some back screen alley-oops with him, maybe move him inside the 3-point line instead of letting him shoot so many 3's. He actually had a few good games early. Like Samson and so many others he regressed.
I think the team culture was a bit caustic and got in a lot of players heads.
Having said all that, we had enough talent to make the tournament and we didn't....that's the bottom line for me.
Posted on 3/12/16 at 8:34 pm to Tiger Ugly
With better coaching probably. But BS, AB, CV, and TQ had to play well every game. The bench was none existent.
Clearly Hornsby was the heart and soul because once he got hurt this was a flat out Bad team.
Clearly Hornsby was the heart and soul because once he got hurt this was a flat out Bad team.
Posted on 3/12/16 at 8:38 pm to Alt26
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Let me get this straight? The head coach had to call a shrink in to figure out how to "create a culture of accountability"?
Just playing devil's advocate but we're you guys this upset when Saban did the same thing his first year because Dinardo had completely mind fricked the team his last season?
Posted on 3/12/16 at 9:31 pm to Tiger Ugly
All good points. 
Posted on 3/12/16 at 9:40 pm to atltiger6487
Not really. Plenty of coaches call in sports psychologist throughout the year in just about every sport. Some schools have one fully employed and typically are a professor at the school as well. I don't fault JJ here for trying. Had he not, you'd have said .... why didn't he?...
Posted on 3/12/16 at 9:41 pm to El Campo Tiger
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El Campo Tiger
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I don't think Simmons was as great as advertised.
He pulls in double doubles, sure, but so do a lot of players in the NCAA. I don't see how he is good enough to be a one and done guy.
Future NBA player? Absolutely.
35 Downvotes and I didn't even Downvote.
I try and learn from every situation in life. For example, had I posted what you did-and actually had conviction of belief behind it-I'd see those 35 down votes and then ask myself, "Self...what did you learn from this situation?"
Self would answer, "I am kinda dumb at Basketball Talent Evaluation and now a bunch of people know it and have let me know they know. Maybe I shouldn't post about that subject again.
Like, ever. Ever ever. Never ever ever. Again."
Always try to make a positive out of a negative. You'll feel better about yourself.
This post was edited on 3/12/16 at 9:42 pm
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