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re: Joe Burrow is asking for help to the black community.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 1:04 pm to tiger nutz
Posted on 6/2/20 at 1:04 pm to tiger nutz
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There are still those who have lost their legs for your FREEDOM and still stand for the National Anthem!!
No one is questioning the bravery of those men and women that have lost limbs on the field of battle, and I can assure you, they receive the utmost respect and gratitude.
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So when you disrespect these individuals I lose all RESPECT for you as a human being and you will continue to have ZERO respect from me.
Taking a knee is NOT disrespecting a soldier. Matter of fact, taking a knee is the HIGHEST form of respect for the fallen soldier. Every single war I've been part of, when a soldier lost his life, we all gathered and took a knee.
If you ever go to a military graveyard, you will assuredly see family members of that soldier "taking a knee".
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want to make change in this country find a different avenue
What other avenue would you like for people to honor a fallen soldier. I will gladly send your recommendation to the Commadant of the Marine Corps.
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Posted on 6/2/20 at 1:32 pm to tiger nutz
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A lot of people like yourself do not understand the lives lost and continued suffering of so many in this country so that you can live in a FREE country. There are still those who have lost their legs for your FREEDOM and still stand for the National Anthem!! So when you disrespect these individuals I lose all RESPECT for you as a human being and you will continue to have ZERO respect from me. You want to make change in this country find a different avenue and do not disrespect the American soldier nor the country he is fighting and dying for!
This is all a bunch of nonsense. First of all the flag and the anthem are not exclusively about the military past or present. So when someone who kneels for the anthem and EXPLICITLY STATES it’s a protest over police violence and YOU take that as disrespect for soldiers then I’m afraid that’s on you and your refusal to listen to anyone who doesn’t agree with you. You don’t have to like or agree with the manner of protest but disagreement and speaking out are FUNDAMENTAL values of this country. The only one trying to change freedoms here is you.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 1:49 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:yes, protest and disagreement are indeed fundamental, and I doubt anyone thinks kneelers don't have a right to do that.
You don’t have to like or agree with the manner of protest but disagreement and speaking out are FUNDAMENTAL values of this country.
We just think there are other avenues for voicing disagreement. Kneeling for the anthem is indeed disrespectful to our nation and those who served (and currently serve).
Also, my biggest beef with the kneelers is that they're doing it on the job, at an entertainment event that people pay to attend, and in their employer's uniform. That's not the time and place for it. If I did that at my job, I'd be fired.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 2:06 pm to tiger nutz
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lot of people like yourself do not understand the lives lost and continued suffering of so many in this country so that you can live in a FREE country. There are still those who have lost their legs for your FREEDOM and still stand for the National Anthem!! So when you disrespect these individuals I lose all RESPECT for you as a human being and you will continue to have ZERO respect from me. You want to make change in this country find a different avenue and do not disrespect the American soldier nor the country he is fighting and dying for!
Get out of here with that emotional garbage. Why should anyone feel grateful to anyone who went and got blown up when it has nothing to do with this country's freedom? When was the last time the military did something for United States freedom? I want you to really think about that before you answer
Posted on 6/2/20 at 2:12 pm to atltiger6487
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Kneeling for the anthem is indeed disrespectful to our nation and those who served (and currently serve).
I’m sorry but it’s not, the anthem is not solely for or about the military.
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my biggest beef with the kneelers is that they're doing it on the job, at an entertainment event that people pay to attend, and in their employer's uniform. That's not the time and place for it
This is a different argument. I don’t necessarily disagree but I think if people had just either accepted it or ignored it it probably would have ended of it’s on accord
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If I did that at my job, I'd be fired.
Does your job require you to stand at attention for the national anthem every day? Unless you work in the military or Congress or something I suspect not.
Speaking of not the time or place, why do we play the anthem at sporting events anyway? I’m there to watch football not virtue signal how “patriotic” I am.
This post was edited on 6/2/20 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 6/2/20 at 2:21 pm to atltiger6487
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protest and disagreement are indeed fundamental,
This fundamental is called The Constitution of the United States of America.
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We just think there are other avenues for voicing disagreement.
I have yet to hear from anyone, what better avenue did Kap have for voicing his disagreement against social and racial injustice. Sometimes in life, you make a sacrifice for the Greater Good.
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Kneeling for the anthem is indeed disrespectful to our nation and those who served (and currently serve).
This is a FALSE NARRATIVE. I served 25 years in the Marine Corps and I am proud that the basic fundamentals that we fight for are being used. Also, I've spoken to 100's of my fellow Marines, Air Force, Navy, Army, Coast Guard Vets that feel the same way. So while it may offend YOU, do not lump US in YOUR category of it being disrespectful to excercise your Rights.
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That's not the time and place for it.
These very same words were spoken to Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Yet he DID NOT WAIVER.
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If I did that at my job, I'd be fired.
I feel sorry for the Leadership at your job if so.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 2:21 pm to TeamLSU
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Taking a knee is NOT disrespecting a soldier.
Complete bullshite!! Taking a knee during the National Anthem while all your country's soldiers are standing and saluting the American flag is complete disrespect for their service!!
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I will gladly send your recommendation to the Commadant of the Marine Corps.
Where were you stationed because I have a hard time believing you are a US Marine? Especially when you misspell the word Commandant. Marines are very accurate at everything they do so don't sit behind your computer and play like you are a US Marine.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 2:35 pm to tiger nutz
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Where were you stationed because I have a hard time believing you are a US Marine?
Well just because you have a hard time believing me, is not my problem. But I can tell you a few duty stations I was at, Camp Del Mar, Camp Lejeune, MCB Quantico, Okinawa, just to name a few.
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Especially when you misspell the word Commandant.
So I see we have a Grammer Nazis on the board here.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 2:36 pm to Ebbandflow
“Why should anyone feel grateful to anyone who went and got blown up”
You’re disgusting. You think some kid decides when and where he’s ordered to go? fricking idiot, you can’t even hide what you are.
You’re disgusting. You think some kid decides when and where he’s ordered to go? fricking idiot, you can’t even hide what you are.
This post was edited on 6/2/20 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 6/2/20 at 7:13 pm to TeamLSU
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Taking a knee is NOT disrespecting a soldier
During the National Anthem taking a knee is certainly disrespectful.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 7:24 pm to TeamLSU
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taking a knee is the HIGHEST form of respect for the fallen soldier.
I never understood how taking a knee got misconstrued to be disrespectful. In every other instance I can think of kneeling is seen as a sign of respect
Posted on 6/2/20 at 7:27 pm to FAP SAM
Because he literally said he would not stand for a country that is so evil. The kneeling gesture was blatant and clear the media just spun it to cover for it. But the idea didn’t come from Kap it was his girlfriends idea and she’s a radical Islamic so you can see why the flag and anthem were targeted.
This post was edited on 6/2/20 at 7:32 pm
Posted on 6/2/20 at 7:38 pm to Madking
quote:And the first few times he did it he stayed seated on the bench. Then people (Eric Reid included) talked to him about how that looked disrespectful, and they convinced him to kneel instead bc it was more respectful while accomplishing his goal of making a statement.
he literally said he would not stand for a country that is so evil
FWIW I don't necessarily agree with any of his opinions on the matter. But it is funny to me that this may be the only instance in world history that kneeling has been seen as disrespect
Posted on 6/2/20 at 7:43 pm to FAP SAM
Right, didn’t they go to some military personnel and ask if kneeling would be ok? But that was when the more level headed guys got involved who didn’t want to disgrace the flag and anthem.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 7:46 pm to TeamLSU
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That's not the time and place for it.
quote:was MLK an athlete that people paid their hard-earned money to go see participate in an entertainment event? And then abuse that to promote his own personal agenda?
These very same words were spoken to Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Yet he DID NOT WAIVER.
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If I did that at my job, I'd be fired.
quote:I doubt many employers would allow political protests while on the job. I'd be curious to know who you work for if your bosses allow it.
I feel sorry for the Leadership at your job if so.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 7:57 pm to Madking
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The kneeling gesture was blatant and clear the media just spun it to cover for it. But the idea didn’t come from Kap it was his girlfriends idea and she’s a radical Islamic so you can see why the flag and anthem were targeted.
You are TOTALLY WRONG with saying it was Kap's girlfriend's idea. There is ONE and ONLY ONE person that convinced Kap to take a knee during the playing of the National Anthem. The person that convinced him to do the act is Retired Army Green Beret Nate Boyer.
Boyer saw Kap SITTING doing the National Anthem and as a veteran he was appalled. HE approached Kap and convinced him to KNEEL instead of SITTING.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 8:23 pm to atltiger6487
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I doubt many employers would allow political protests while on the job. I'd be curious to know who you work for if your bosses allow it.
Well I hate to burst your bubble, but yes the company where I am employed allows freedom of speech and to peacefully protest. Matter of fact, within our 27,000 employees we have Diversity Groups that goes into the community and help with a myriad of issues. Maybe we are a rarity, I'll let you decide that.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 8:32 pm to TeamLSU
It’s a matter of fact, his girlfriend told him to protest the flag and anthem. Look it up.
This post was edited on 6/2/20 at 8:34 pm
Posted on 6/2/20 at 8:37 pm to TeamLSU
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I have yet to hear from anyone, what better avenue did Kap have for voicing his disagreement against social and racial injustice.
Twitter? Facebook? Instagram?
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Sometimes in life, you make a sacrifice for the Greater Good.
Then make a real sacrifice. Disavow Nike.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 8:38 pm to FAP SAM
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In every other instance I can think of kneeling is seen as a sign of respect
Riiiight. He was worshipping the flag and anthem. His intent was to show extra respect.
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