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re: Joe Burrow, 5-Wide & 5 in Pass Protection? "It Means the World"
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:50 am to Buckeye Jeaux
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:50 am to Buckeye Jeaux
.....................................................................^^Bunch^^
This post was edited on 10/22/19 at 10:52 am
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Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:51 am to GumboPot
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We know we won't see a toss dive.
We should do one every now and then, because no one expects it.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:54 am to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
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It really seems lately that you are setting yourself up for some disappointment from Burrow, by preemptively blaming the coaching staff.
This is exactly what he is doing..
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:55 am to crazy4lsu
quote:Well then, check out what scheme the most successful passing offenses are running out of 90% of the time.
What does that have to do with my post? I'm sure a RB would prefer to run Iso from the I-formation. All position players have preferences that are ultimately meaningless when employing an offense
Clue: some form of a Spread
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:59 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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For a talented accurate QB, Max-Protect is a major obstacle to a highly effective passing game...
NO its a major obstacle for padding joes stats............. Which is ALL you care about.....
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:59 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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Well then, check out what scheme the most successful passing offenses are running out of 90% of the time.
Mother of god. What does that have to do with my point? I pointed out that blaming the tight formations for the lack of offensive production doesn't seem a sufficient explanation for the "lack" of production (which I don't agree with, as we drove down the field only to get bogged down inside the 10). So far, you've replied with a non-sequitur about WR's preferring "Spread" and another non-sequitur, which had nothing to do with my point, which involved actually rewatching the game. I'm watching the second drive now and I'll report back again. I can't wait for another series of random replies.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:09 am to Buckeye Jeaux
quote:Within the spread offense.
Bunch is not an offense, Bunch is a receiver set.
Just stop. You don't understand this. 
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:10 am to crazy4lsu
The guy has issues. In 14 years of being on here, I’ve never seen anyone so annoyed at winning an SEC game on the road by 26 points.
Let alone start a thread whining about it. Twice. In less than 48 hours.
I admire the enthusiasm but these tantrums are ridiculous and uncalled for.
Let alone start a thread whining about it. Twice. In less than 48 hours.
I admire the enthusiasm but these tantrums are ridiculous and uncalled for.
This post was edited on 10/22/19 at 11:12 am
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:14 am to crazy4lsu
Mother of god, your damn self.
If a Tight formation was a viable choice for a passing offense, then there would be scores of teams running out of it. Can you name ONE successful passing offense running out of a Tight formation? College or NFL? I can't.
If a Tight formation was a viable choice for a passing offense, then there would be scores of teams running out of it. Can you name ONE successful passing offense running out of a Tight formation? College or NFL? I can't.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:16 am to la_birdman
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The guy has issues.
To be fair...we should be a little more understanding.
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Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:16 am to la_birdman
After watching the second drive, I'm convinced this moron just wants to blame something. Here is the formation and play result from the second drive.
2nd Drive
1st play) 1st and 10-(Tight formation)-Jefferson run for 11
2nd play) 1st and 10-(Tight formation)-CEH run for 8
3rd play) 2nd and 2-(4-wide)-Burrow incompletion to Chase (honestly seemed like a poorly thrown ball, as Chase was open)
4th play) 3rd and 2-(Tight formation) CEH run for 17
5th play) 1st and 10-(Tight formation) Moss catch for 24
6th play) 1st and 10-(Tight formation) Moss catch for 22
7th play) 1st and goal from the 7-(Tight formation) Burrow incompletion to Chase
8th play) 2nd and goal-(Tight formation) CEH run for 3 yards
9th play) 3rd and goal-(Tight formation) Burrow pressed from pocket, throws incompletion to Dillon
On two of Burrow's incompletions, I would consider the defense to be good, as the defenders were all over Chase and Dillon. I still don't see a sufficient reason to blame the Tight formations we used as an explanation for the 1st or 2nd drives.
2nd Drive
1st play) 1st and 10-(Tight formation)-Jefferson run for 11
2nd play) 1st and 10-(Tight formation)-CEH run for 8
3rd play) 2nd and 2-(4-wide)-Burrow incompletion to Chase (honestly seemed like a poorly thrown ball, as Chase was open)
4th play) 3rd and 2-(Tight formation) CEH run for 17
5th play) 1st and 10-(Tight formation) Moss catch for 24
6th play) 1st and 10-(Tight formation) Moss catch for 22
7th play) 1st and goal from the 7-(Tight formation) Burrow incompletion to Chase
8th play) 2nd and goal-(Tight formation) CEH run for 3 yards
9th play) 3rd and goal-(Tight formation) Burrow pressed from pocket, throws incompletion to Dillon
On two of Burrow's incompletions, I would consider the defense to be good, as the defenders were all over Chase and Dillon. I still don't see a sufficient reason to blame the Tight formations we used as an explanation for the 1st or 2nd drives.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:17 am to Buckeye Jeaux
quote:What is tight?
If a Tight formation
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:19 am to crazy4lsu
We moved the ball well but you’re going to get heat when you run the same set 3 times inside the 10 and come away empty handed
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:19 am to la_birdman
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The guy has issues. In 14 years of being on here, I’ve never seen anyone so annoyed at winning an SEC game on the road by 26 points. Let alone start a thread whining about it. Twice. In less than 48 hours.
The dude is a Joe stalker... He has serious issues involving a22 ear old kid.... That balance of 24 runs and 24 passes against fla made him almost have a heart attack... I can here him now "STOP RUNNING THE BALL"
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:20 am to crazy4lsu
I'll repeat the question for you:
If a Tight formation was a viable choice for a passing offense, then there would be scores of teams running out of it. Can you name ONE successful passing offense running primarily out of a Tight formation? College or NFL? I can't.
If a Tight formation was a viable choice for a passing offense, then there would be scores of teams running out of it. Can you name ONE successful passing offense running primarily out of a Tight formation? College or NFL? I can't.
This post was edited on 10/22/19 at 11:21 am
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:20 am to dukke v
He's also anti-Brady. Very sad.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:20 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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If a Tight formation was a viable choice for a passing offense, then there would be scores of teams running out of it. Can you name ONE successful passing offense running out of a Tight formation? College or NFL? I can't.
Holy shite. You think teams exclusively use the Tight formation and nothing else? Have you ever watched football before? And you still haven't answered my point. You can't seem to grasp it for some reason.
Brady seems to be using Payton's playbook to a T, which has West Coast concepts based out of the Shotgun, uses a variety of formations, including Tight formations and Bunch formations. The Tight isn't an offensive system. It is simply a formation used for a specific purpose. For example on the 2nd drive, the two throws to Moss that went for 46 yards, allowed Moss to act as though he was blocking and jump free into the flat, completely uncovered, and run after the catch. You can also run a variety of screens, running plays (like we saw with Jefferson in motion on the first play of the 2nd drive and getting the ball) and protection schemes.
Again, there is no indication that the Tight formation used in the first half was the problem.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:22 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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If a Tight formation was a viable choice for a passing offense, then there would be scores of teams running out of it. Can you name ONE successful passing offense running out of a Tight formation? College or NFL? I can't.
Plenty of teams use the Tight formation, including Sean Payton, who has had one of the most prolific pass offenses in the NFL. It's not as though teams don't use the Tight. It isn't the cornerstone of any offense. It's simply a formation.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:23 am to TwoTimeTiger
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We moved the ball well but you’re going to get heat when you run the same set 3 times inside the 10 and come away empty handed
Sure, but two of those passes were genuinely good plays by the defender. Chase was open on the first play, but only momentarily so.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:23 am to Buckeye Jeaux
quote:not this shite again.
does NOT want or need the Max Protect that "Tight" formations easily provide
Tight or bunch formations does not equal max protect.
NO FORMATION determines max protect, or even enhanced protect.
Protection is simply, and ONLY, defined by the number of eligible receivers sent on routes vs. the number of eligible receivers kept in to block. Period.
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