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re: Joe Burrow, 5-Wide & 5 in Pass Protection? "It Means the World"

Posted on 10/22/19 at 9:45 am to
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 10/22/19 at 9:45 am to
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Never really thought about it before but it kind of makes sense. Not sure where all the hate is coming from for the OP,
When have we done this?
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 9:49 am to
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Look, I enjoy your enthusiasm, but you really just do not understand scheme enough to discuss it.


You are, of course, dead wrong. But thanks for expressing your feelings
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
84497 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 9:50 am to
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You are, of course, dead wrong
About what? You have not posted a single correct thing about our offense yet.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
37976 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 9:51 am to
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You are, of course, dead wrong. But thanks for expressing your feelings



Can you think of a reason why JB and SE wanted to use the bunch formation more than they usually do?
Posted by redfish99
B.R.
Member since Aug 2007
17816 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 9:52 am to
An occasional Tight is fine. 19 Tights in a half is silly

Now this I will agree with . But I like being multiple and the mix is probably based on scouting from our analytics team. Keep up the good work.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
47472 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 9:54 am to
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Burrow is confirming that he does NOT want or need the Max Protect that "Tight" formations easily provide.

For a talented accurate QB, Max-Protect is a major obstacle to a highly effective passing game

You are equating two things that don't necessarily equate. Tight doesn't mean max protect. You can have five guys in routes and five protecting when you run tight. In fact, it's a great formation to do just that if you can catch a team playing man to man.
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:00 am to
The bunch is a passing set. We got the nomenclature squred away yesterday. I think we are referring to the "tight" formation. Can't say I know exactly why they did it. But it is often used in Max pass protect.

LSU was breaking records in the 4 and 5 wide sets. I think/hope LSU will return to that soon.

Miss St was able to hold LSU to 3 FG in the first 3 drives against the Tight. Bama or Ohio St would destroy that crap.

But I don't see how Bama or Ohio St could possibly stop LSUs 4 & 5 wide up-tempo offense. No way, IMO.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
84497 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:08 am to
What is this tight you are referring to? Got any time references on a video?
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:08 am to
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You are equating two things that don't necessarily equate. Tight doesn't mean max protect.
Never said it meant that. I said it is often used as a platform for max protect. And I am sure you could, on rare occasion, surprise a D by running 5 receivers out of a tight.

You could also hook a plow to a Ferrari if you choose to. But why would you?
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
84497 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:16 am to
What is a tight?
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:33 am to
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What is a tight?
What you thought bunch was?
See page 3 or 4 of yesterday's thread. Defined with graphics
This post was edited on 10/22/19 at 10:35 am
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
37976 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:36 am to
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Can't say I know exactly why they did it. But it is often used in Max pass protect.


I'm rewatching the first drive right now, and don't think the tight formation is the reason why this drive faltered. We ran five plays out of formations I would consider "tight," 3 run plays, 2 pass plays (1 to Moss to start the drive and one to Chase that was broken up), with three run plays, one that got us to 3rd and inches at 13, one that went for a 1st down near the goalline and one that was stuffed on 2nd and goal (the play that Deculus was injured). There was a 3rd and inches play where Jefferson was lined up as an H-back off-tackle with Moss on the other side, but Chase and Sullivan had well wide, but I wouldn't consider that a tight formation either.

Blaming the offensive issues solely on the use of tight formations seems like an attempt to make something out of nothing. I can watch the rest of the game later, but I'm straight up skeptical of your position.
This post was edited on 10/22/19 at 10:37 am
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:40 am to
Know any Wide Receivers? Ask them if they would rather run out of a Spread or a Tight. It is like night and day. The WR has countless advantages from a Spread.
Posted by Genestealer55
ARLINGTON
Member since May 2017
7780 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:41 am to
I’ve never seen anyone melt so bad after a 26 pt win on the road in an SEC game. Oh wait..you don’t care about LSU...you just care about Joe’s/offensive stats.

Carry on then. Will be great when you’re gone and Brennan is doing the same thing next year with you not caring.
Posted by Fat Bastard
2024 NFL pick'em champion
Member since Mar 2009
82498 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:42 am to
You never heard of I FORM TIGHT? Ace big? Ace jumbo. Wow.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
84497 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:42 am to
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Ask them if they would rather run out of a Spread or a Tight. It is like night and day. The WR has countless advantages from a Spread.

Bunch is a form of spread offense. You are so confused.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
37976 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:44 am to
What does that have to do with my post? I'm sure a RB would prefer to run Iso from the I-formation. All position players have preferences that are ultimately meaningless when employing an offense.
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:48 am to
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Bunch is a form of spread offense. You are so confused
Bunch is not an offense, Bunch is a receiver set. You are hopeless.
Posted by Fat Bastard
2024 NFL pick'em champion
Member since Mar 2009
82498 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:48 am to
A bunch is a type of formation. Can be used with ace or shotgun. A spread is a style.

Like

Spread option
Air raid
Power spread
Pro style spread.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
59128 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:48 am to
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I’ve never seen anyone melt so bad after a 26 pt win on the road in an SEC game. Oh wait..you don’t care about LSU...you just care about Joe’s/offensive stats.
we have a winner
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