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re: JJ proved this season was a fluke
Posted on 1/4/09 at 12:12 am to RobbBobb
Posted on 1/4/09 at 12:12 am to RobbBobb
Come on. Yes, the defense underformed. But, why can't you acknowledge that the QB play killed us?
If you're related to J.L., just admit it. We might very well need him as a backup next year. Otherwise, swallow your pride and let's look forward to '09.
If you're related to J.L., just admit it. We might very well need him as a backup next year. Otherwise, swallow your pride and let's look forward to '09.
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Posted on 1/4/09 at 12:23 am to dreaux
quote:And better Defense would have won both of those, and two of the others we lost.
bottom line, better qb play and we would have won at least 2 of the games we droped.
Our Defense had Seniors in Jackson, Pittman, Alexander, Beckwith and Favorite. You really believe that it should have been up to our Freshman QB to "feed" the defense in order to get good play out of them? As many others have pointed out, it should have been exactly the opposite. The defense needed to be extra tough to help out the young QBs.
When talking about how the defense fed off the offense in the Troy game, and how the defense stepped it up once the offense got going, you completely proved my point. The defense SUCKED OUT LOUD that game, and it was up to our freshman QB -- with NO defensive momentum to feed off of -- to pick the team up and will it to victory over a team so crappy that they shouldn't have scored 13 points on our defense all night, let alone 31 in the first 3 quarters.
Posted on 1/4/09 at 12:40 am to GeauxLaSports
quote:Okay, let's do the math:
QB was the main problem.Defense was bad too but those Pick sixes were the killer
Assuming every the same for the offense (scoring and pick-6s), but the defense allows, say, 19 points a game while they are on the field. Not super-dominant, but just almost as good as 2007's defensive performance:
We beat Georgia and Arkansas, lose to Bama and Florida by 5, and lose to Ole Miss by 6.
Now, assuming the defense plays the way it really did this year and remove all the pick-6s:
We beat Bama, lose by 25 to Florida, lose by 18 to Ole Miss, lose by 1 to Arkansas, and are tied with UGA.
So without the defensive dropoff, we finish the regular season 9-3, with all three losses to teams who will finish in the top 20 and all by less than a TD. Without the pick-6s, we finish 8-3-1, getting blown out by Florida and Ole Miss, and still losing to 5-7 Arkansas.
And if you're going to go into some momentum bullshite, start with how the defense giving up 5 long TD drives in one game at home helps our momentum.
Posted on 1/4/09 at 12:49 am to Chimlim
quote:Yeah, and those 5 TD drives against Georgia must have really got the offense pumped. And why, again, is it the responsibility of the Freshmen QBs to "fire up" the seniors on defense?
The defense was terrible but those ints., not to mention the pick 6s, didn't exactly get the defense fired up
Posted on 1/4/09 at 12:54 am to Oakflat
quote:They gave up 38 points to Georgia, and not one of them started outside the Georgia 35. Those are not "short field" scores.
You cant fault the defense for giving up points on a short field
quote:That quite simply did not happen, no matter how many times you try to pretend it did. Georgia kicked one FG that game, and it came at the end of possession that started at the Georgia 35. In fact, Georgia never even started a possession on our side of the field the entire game until our failed onside kick before their last possession.
and another drive started inside the 10 that they held to a FG)
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quote:Learn to read or quit lying; otherwise, take your own advice.
Shut the frick up.
Posted on 1/4/09 at 12:58 am to Tiger_n_ATL
quote:Clearly both contributed. But inasmuch as one factor was more significant than the other, that factor was the defense. Particularly in terms of the degree of failure, given the youth and inexperience at QB and the talent and experience available to the defensive coaches. If the QBs perform half as well as should have been expected, we're proabably 9-4. If the defense performs half as well as should have been expected, we're probably 12-2 with a win over Utah in the Sugar.
No, it was both. Shortsighted people always try to find ONE thing to blame things on,
Posted on 1/4/09 at 9:44 am to dreaux
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the way we played with a good quaterback, shows the only reason we are 8-5 is becuase of the quaterback situation. I will also say the defense would have played better all year too, had the wind stoped being taken out thier sails. The def feeds off and vice versa. with good qb play all year we are a 2 loss team. and those losses would be to florida and ole miss.
Even Guilbeau could see that our defense was our weakest part of our team this year. How could you not?
Posted on 1/4/09 at 10:16 am to dreaux
Wake and stop drinking the kool-aid. The DEFENSE was the problem all year long. Yea,Yea..the pick 6's hurt, but in the end it was our inability to stop the PASS the killed this season. We beat GT, but guess what???? They could not PASS the ball. We slowed their running game down, but they had no idea how to throw the ball effectively. That said, Jefferson did a hell of a job and IMHO, he has earned the right to start. Like always...
Posted on 1/4/09 at 10:58 am to MandevilleLSUTiger
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Defense was the main problem, and it started with the players not buying the CO-DC's scheme, etc.
I thought it was the SAME scheme that Pelini used. Looked like Mallveto changed SOMETHING out there and it DIDN'T work. It was apparent that the Co-DC's just couldn't effectively teach/coach/communicate what they wanted to the players, but in any case, that defense is not freaking Rocket Science. We still haven't been given an explanation by Miles as to why Pelini's defense worked and Mallveto's didn't. I want to hear it from the horses mouth. I think the loss of the two defensive quarterbacks being there to yell out on-field assignments/adjustments was the death blow. Nobody ON the field knew what was going on because Miles didn't have anybody to replace Steltz and Sanders from a MENTAL point of view. That's not debatable, because it was pretty much a Chinese Fire Drill all year where nobody on defense had a clue what was going on AND the defensive coaches just couldn't communicate what they wanted.(Would have been the same thing had we played a "passing" team in our Bowl game). We just lucked out and got a "running" team in Tech....
Posted on 1/4/09 at 11:09 am to TigerBandAlumnus82
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We still haven't been given an explanation by Miles as to why Pelini's defense worked and Mallveto's didn't.
I can memorize a book on brain surgery, but you wouldn't want me performing it on you...scheme is only a part of it, someone still has to instruct the players, make the calls and put the right packages in at the right time...and these guys were clearly incapable of doing that.
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I want to hear it from the horses mouth.
the coaches have been replaced, that's all I need to know. actions >> words
Posted on 1/4/09 at 12:10 pm to dreaux
Its obvious most of you ignorant frickers never played a down of football at least not very competitive football. I know damn good and well that most on here dont have a very high football IQ or just a very high IQ in general.
Who in the world could LSU had of had as a DC and beat Florida, Ole Miss, Alabama, or Georgia.
Florida and Ole Miss were better, bottom line.
Alabama and Georgia were aided by pick 6's and other turnovers that gave them short fields and just flat out demoralize a defense.
I didn't play at the D1 level, I did however play at the D1-AA level at SFA, and have played plenty of football to know that the offense was the main problem of the defenses.
Florida hammered their asses, and would have no matter who the DC would have been. The Arkansas game was the only game where I thought you can single out the Defense and point the blame at them. Regardless of what King Joey says (he may need to go back and watch the game) Georgia was given 17 points by the Offense, and LSU lost by 14, whats so fricking hard to figure out.
When the defense just gets a stop, or gives up a score and is right back on the field (on a short field) you cant overcome that. It gets worse when they are on the bench and watch the other team run back an interception.
Who in the world could LSU had of had as a DC and beat Florida, Ole Miss, Alabama, or Georgia.
Florida and Ole Miss were better, bottom line.
Alabama and Georgia were aided by pick 6's and other turnovers that gave them short fields and just flat out demoralize a defense.
I didn't play at the D1 level, I did however play at the D1-AA level at SFA, and have played plenty of football to know that the offense was the main problem of the defenses.
Florida hammered their asses, and would have no matter who the DC would have been. The Arkansas game was the only game where I thought you can single out the Defense and point the blame at them. Regardless of what King Joey says (he may need to go back and watch the game) Georgia was given 17 points by the Offense, and LSU lost by 14, whats so fricking hard to figure out.
When the defense just gets a stop, or gives up a score and is right back on the field (on a short field) you cant overcome that. It gets worse when they are on the bench and watch the other team run back an interception.
Posted on 1/4/09 at 12:14 pm to Oakflat
In 2007 during the National Championship run, if LSU would have had the same QB production as this year they would have been a 4 or 5 loss team then too.
Football is a team sport and just relying on the defense too win you games in the best conference their is because your offense cant sustain drives, is inconsistent, and turns the ball over more than anyone else, is bullshite. Anyone that know anything about football knows that.
If next year the QB play dont get any better, brace yourself for another 4-5 loss year.
Football is a team sport and just relying on the defense too win you games in the best conference their is because your offense cant sustain drives, is inconsistent, and turns the ball over more than anyone else, is bullshite. Anyone that know anything about football knows that.
If next year the QB play dont get any better, brace yourself for another 4-5 loss year.
Posted on 1/4/09 at 2:30 pm to RobbBobb
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SC - The D allows SC to tie the game, before any picks, JLee rallies again
Hey there slugger you may want to check the tape on this game again. The D held SC to almost nothing in the second half (allowed 42 yards in the 2nd half). I know the D struggled this year, but don't try to credit JL with this win. Before the CFA Bowl the second half against SC was the only time all year our defense looked good against a quality opponent.
*Edited to give yardage for the 2nd half*
This post was edited on 1/4/09 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 1/4/09 at 3:14 pm to ellessuuuu
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Hey there slugger you may want to check the tape on this game again
I did better, I checked with Miles and heres what he said:
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Miles said the offense was tough, too. After failing to get a first down in its first two drives of the second half, LSU finally got going late in the third quarter as Andrew Hatch, who usually comes in for running plays, rolled right, then threw back to a wide-open Ricky Dixon for a 6-yard touchdown play that tied it at 17 with 44 seconds left in the third quarter.
After the next drive stalled, redshirt freshman quarterback Jarrett Lee led the Tigers on a grinding, 83-yard drive that took more than six minutes off the clock, ending with Charles Scott's 2-yard touchdown run with 4:16 to go that put LSU ahead 24-17
Posted on 1/4/09 at 3:21 pm to LSU Jax
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Throw in a dreadful lack of leadership and this season was the perfect storm of the worst possible kind.
Scary to say, but actually, things could have been much worse this year.
Posted on 1/4/09 at 3:22 pm to dreaux
Jefferson is still a huge question mark. Remember what you were saying about Lee after the Auburn game?
Posted on 1/4/09 at 3:24 pm to Oakflat
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Its obvious most of you ignorant frickers never played a down of football
Perhaps you didnt play in Div 1 cause you didnt have the academics, or the football knowledge, to even know about the level we are discussing?
LSU has won 2 BCS titles, with avg QBs. Flynn had 12 ints that yr (3 in the Bama game). The year we had the best QB of our time, we won ZERO, in the hardware dept.
Defense wins or losses games. When you have a 1st yr QB, the defense has to limit the number of snaps, the time of possession, and the points allowed, so that your "leader" can go through his progressions.
LSU ALWAYS played behind, until GTech. Thus limiting all the progressions you want a rookie to go through. JJ got the opportunity to go through all the progressions. See how nice that turned out?
When you are behind, you pass. When you pass 4 things can happen. 3 of them are bad. The only good thing that happens is a catch for positive yds. Guess who determines that? The Defense.
LSUs didnt this yr, with a few exceptions.
Posted on 1/4/09 at 3:31 pm to dreaux
Is this post for real? The defense was easily the biggest contributor to the 3-5 SEC record.
If you wanted to humiliate yourself, there are other ways to do it.
If you wanted to humiliate yourself, there are other ways to do it.
Posted on 1/4/09 at 5:24 pm to Genghis Khan
Well I do have at least a high school education from another state other than LA. Yall are the 49th worst public education state in America, you tell me who's the stupid frick.
Your right, the defense should limit the time of possession for the other team, but its really hard when you have to overcome come what, 20+ int's. Your offense has to also keep possession to give the defense a breather and sustain a drive instead of int, punt, punt, int.
The defense no doubt had a bad year, but if you can look at the season in review and say the offense was just as shitty and cost you two SEC games you are a complete ignorant fool. If you ask me the OC did no favors to the shitty QB production by not running the ball more effectively, and helping the young QB out with more efficient passes.
Your right, the defense should limit the time of possession for the other team, but its really hard when you have to overcome come what, 20+ int's. Your offense has to also keep possession to give the defense a breather and sustain a drive instead of int, punt, punt, int.
The defense no doubt had a bad year, but if you can look at the season in review and say the offense was just as shitty and cost you two SEC games you are a complete ignorant fool. If you ask me the OC did no favors to the shitty QB production by not running the ball more effectively, and helping the young QB out with more efficient passes.
Posted on 1/4/09 at 7:37 pm to dreaux
Quarterbacking almost certainly cost us the Alabama game, but all of the other losses were games in which our defense flat out sucked. I'd like to think we would have beaten Georgia as well, but the way Stafford picked apart our secondary they probably could have scored as many points as they needed to win the game.
We were flat out beaten by Florida and Ole Miss, and the quarterbacking wouldn't have mattered.
Didn't we use our "good" QB against Arkansas? You know what the results of that game were despite having our good QB.
We were flat out beaten by Florida and Ole Miss, and the quarterbacking wouldn't have mattered.
Didn't we use our "good" QB against Arkansas? You know what the results of that game were despite having our good QB.
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