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re: JJ or Lee ext year

Posted on 11/25/08 at 3:56 pm to
Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 11/25/08 at 3:56 pm to
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Are you saying a pocket passer can't get it done?


HAHAHAHAHA!

Crowton has Lee running the OPTION

Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 11/25/08 at 3:57 pm to
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No...smarter means throwing it away rather than throwing it into triple coverage when there's nothing there. It means taking a sack if there's nothing there and the ball can't be thrown away safely. It's about taking what available and living to see another down. Both of those things Jefferson did with more accumen than Lee has shown thus far this season. This is a separate issue as to how much of Crowton;s play book is available to the offense with JJ under center. The issue you commented on was playing smarter...and he did. Now...part of that may be because Jefferson has simply played more QB in his lifetime than Lee. Everyone keeps forgetting the whole "Lee only played two years of QB in HS football" stuff. While Jefferson may not be as familiar with Crowton's offense yet, he clearly didn't look lost under center.


Posted by GeauxTigerTM
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Posted on 11/25/08 at 3:58 pm to
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Crowton has Lee running the OPTION


As much as I REALLY liike Gary Crowton, I thought that was the worst call of his tenure here at LSU.

Just plain horrible. It's not an OPTION is the guy OPTIONING it is not really an OPTION to tuck it and run.
Posted by hashtag
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Posted on 11/25/08 at 4:01 pm to
Lee had more rushing yards in high school than either JJ or Hatch.
Posted by steadytiger
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Posted on 11/25/08 at 4:04 pm to
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Lee will be the qb. RS will come in and JJ will ride the pine.



????
Lee is the most erratic passer I have ever seen. He may hit the receiver spot on, then throw into an area where no one bet the opponent is sitting. He consistently throws to far out or behind the receiver. JJ is much more consistent. Shepard will truly be a breath of fresh air. If Miles uses JJ and RS as he used Lee and Hatch, he will be building a solid offense. If he sticks with Lee, he will get to the fourth or fifth game, recognize his mistake --- too late, and then try to get JJ and RS in the game. The tragedy will be that he will have done so too late for them to develop for the tough games. I hope he goes with JJ and RS early.
This post was edited on 11/25/08 at 4:05 pm
Posted by MFV
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Posted on 11/25/08 at 4:05 pm to
Jefferson had more poise,saw the field better, threw it with more accuracy (and zip), and made better decisions than lee did on saturday. I thought JJ looked more cofortable "under center" than lee has at any point this season. Now its obvious lsu is very limited in what they can do when he is in the game. It will be interesting to see what happens when we are forced to open it up but he deserves his shot. From what i have seen so far i believe jj is our best option for the future even if he doesn't know all of the playbook. Like I said earlier what good does knowing the playbook do if you can't properly execute it?
Posted by hashtag
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Posted on 11/25/08 at 4:06 pm to
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Lee is the most erratic passer I have ever seen. He may hit the receiver spot on, then throw into an area where no one bet the opponent is sitting. He consistently throws to far out or behind the receiver. JJ is much more consistent. Shepard will truly be a breath of fresh air. If Miles uses JJ and RS as he used Lee and Hatch, he will be building a solid offense. If he sticks with Lee, he will get to the fourth or fifth game, recognize his mistake --- too late, and then try to get JJ and RS in the game. The tragedy will be that he will have done so too late for them to develop for the tough games. I hope he goes with JJ and RS early.


i'm so glad that you know this based off of 2 quarters of play against a crappy Ole Miss team for JJ and zero college experience for RS. Thank goodness you aren't our coach.

I think that all four (including the new freshman whitey that can't run) will get a fair shot come the spring.
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
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Posted on 11/25/08 at 4:34 pm to
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Lee had more rushing yards in high school than either JJ or Hatch.


I'm gonna' need the actual numbers with a link to back this up.

I was able to find Lee's high school numbers on Rivals. Unless I'm mistaken, he had 197 yards on 57 attempts in 2005, and 107 yards on 11 attempts in 2006. 304.

There's no way Jefferson had less than 300 yards rushing in HS...and that's knowing he was injured half of his junior year.

But if you can provide a link, I'll gladly say I'm wrong.
Posted by JPLSU1981
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Posted on 11/25/08 at 5:20 pm to
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I think its obvious to anyone who isn't drinking some of the les miles kool-aid JJ looks better back there.


I respect your opinion, but you're obviously the one drinking the sauce claiming without hesitation that a guy who has played in basically two games obviously "looks better back there."

That's funny stuff right there. Not to mention the fact that in those two games he in fact DID NOT look "better back there."

I hope JJ and JL both progress into great QBs for us, but it's ludicrous to proclaim that Jefferson is better at this point, because you have absolutely nothing to base that on. To the contrary, the facts (and performances of the two young QBs) tends to point toward Lee being the better QB at this point.

This post was edited on 11/25/08 at 5:24 pm
Posted by lsu xman
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Posted on 11/25/08 at 5:23 pm to
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Lee had more rushing yards in high school than either JJ or Hatch.



i dont think i've seen JL rush for positive yardage not once this season.
Posted by lsu xman
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Posted on 11/25/08 at 5:26 pm to
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To the contrary, the facts (and performances of the two young QBs) tends to point toward Lee being the better QB at this point.


What fact is that?

JL:
1st 6 games:
84/141 59.6% 1041yds
8td/6int


last 6 games:
75/154 48.7% 1021yds
6td/11int

Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 11/25/08 at 5:44 pm to
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Did Stafford have WR's with the hands and attitude issues between Byrd and Lafell?
Please refer this question to Mohammed Massaquoi. Lafell in the early part of 07 was more sure handed than he is.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 11/25/08 at 5:48 pm to
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1) Lee has consistantly made the same mistakes. Jefferson shows that he can adapt and learn. he dropped back and scanned the field. lee hasnt done tht all season w 2 years of learning compared to JJ 1 year.
In other words, JJ has shown improvement. Lee has not. Not even a little.

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2) JJ has all the physical tools Lee has but adds a run threat.
Lee has a quicker release, but that's pretty much it. JJ has everything else and more.

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3) Shep complements JJ better than he does Lee. The run threat will always be there with both JJ and Shep however it doesnt with Lee and Shep.
truth

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4)The offensive players seem to have lost all faith in Lee and seem to like JJ more and fight harder with him in.
This reminds me of Davey vs. Booty. The players liked Davey better, and they responded better to his being in the game.
Posted by Washingtontigerlee
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Posted on 11/25/08 at 6:04 pm to
Lee is slow, stupid, and fat. I can't stand watching his egregious throwing errors anymore
Posted by ellis1975
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Posted on 11/25/08 at 6:13 pm to
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Somehow I don't see Lafell making a huge impact at the next level?


Hold on now, Lafell will do good just to make it to the next level and actually play some. He is DECENT but nothing exceptional. I would EASILY take AJ Green over Lafell right now. The kid catches almost everything thrown his way. J Jones is also absolutely ridiculous. Oh yeah, Deandre Brown is probably better as well. Those 3 are all TRUE frosh that right now are probably better than Lafell.
Posted by LSUfanaddict
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Posted on 11/25/08 at 6:14 pm to
We have seen what Lee can do--nothing. He already is tied for the CAREER record for pick 6's...IN HIS FRESHMAN YEAR. If Miles starts him next year and JJ and RS ride the pine, then the fans should stop coming and he should get the John Brady treatment.
Posted by JPLSU1981
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Posted on 11/25/08 at 6:19 pm to
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JL:
1st 6 games:
84/141 59.6% 1041yds
8td/6int


last 6 games:
75/154 48.7% 1021yds
6td/11int


See, you did the research for me! Thanks buddy! 1,873 yards passing, 14 TDs, a 53.2 completion percentage, averaging 170 yards passing per game and a QB rating of 116.9 (Jefferson's is 87.2 b/t/w)... (not to mention those numbers are lower than they would be given he's split quite a bit of time this season with Hatch and JJ)

Try to find even 5 redshirt freshman QBs at any school in the FBS in the last 50 years that have put up those kind of numbers in their RS Fresh season .... and then get back with me.

If you assholes would open your eyes you'd see a future star in the making, but you're so fixated on bitching and complaining that you make yourselves look stupid in the process. Case in point:


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If Miles starts him next year and JJ and RS ride the pine, then the fans should stop coming and he should get the John Brady treatment.


I can promise you Miles and Crowton and every other coach at LSU wants to win more than any Joe Come Lately Ranter out there or any LSU fan for that matter. They will put the guy out there next season that gives LSU our best chance to win consistently. I'm not saying it won't be JJ ... it very well could be. But there has been nothing happen YET that would lead any reasonable, knowledgable football fan to think it will be JJ over JLee ... to the contrary, JLee looks like a future stud, not only at this level but also at the next level.

I'm sorry that you all had to experience a few losses along the way ... I guess Mack Brown should've been given the "silent treatment" like John Brady after Colt's freshman and sophomore years, eh?

I'm beginning to wonder if any of you have EVER had to follow a team with a young QB ....
This post was edited on 11/25/08 at 6:29 pm
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 11/25/08 at 6:23 pm to
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See, you did the research for me! Thanks buddy!
And you know what he showed you, buddy?

That your boy has gotten WORSE over the course of the season. . .not better. Congratulations!!!

Posted by JPLSU1981
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Posted on 11/25/08 at 6:27 pm to
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Try to find even 5 redshirt freshman QBs at any school in the FBS in the last 50 years that have put up those kind of numbers in their RS Fresh season .... and then get back with me.


Do that, open your eyes, take a deep breathe, and realize things will be Ok at QB. Trust me.

Now, as far as the defense goes, that's a different story. That's up in the air and your guess is as good as mine. But offensively, LSU (and Lee) will be just fine.
This post was edited on 11/25/08 at 6:30 pm
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 11/25/08 at 6:32 pm to
Sam Bradford
Pryor
Hodson
Manning
Mustain

LINK

The last guy who asked that question got embarassed. You wanna be next?
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