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re: JJ not totaly innocent

Posted on 11/24/09 at 3:56 pm to
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49035 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 3:56 pm to
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If you wanna fault him for something go with not throwing the ball away and taking a 9 yard sack.


Nope. That one is all on Crowton. Worse play call of the game.
Posted by The Gunslinger
Member since Jul 2009
408 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 3:57 pm to
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Its hard to expect a QB used to playing a check with me offense to suddenly start selecting plays and calling plays on the fly.
Good point.
Posted by Methuselah
On da Riva
Member since Jan 2005
23350 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 3:57 pm to
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I think you're right.

Indecision may or may not be his problem. . .

I see what you did there.
Posted by BayouBengals03
lsu14always
Member since Nov 2007
99999 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 3:57 pm to
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position would have taken the bull by the horn

It's a metaphor.... but that really happened.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49035 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 3:58 pm to
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It's a metaphor.... but that really happened.


nice.
Posted by ATLTiger
#TreyBiletnikoffs
Member since Sep 2003
45955 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 3:59 pm to
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Worse play call of the game.


pretty much. and this is my biggest issue with Crowton and the QBs the last couple yrs. they give him ample evidence of what their issues are, and he still doesn't call stuff that would mitigate them.

hey Gary, maybe Lee didn't need to be throwing against Bama last yr on 3rd and long. and maybe JJ didn't need to be passing on 2nd down when he'd damn near had a disaster on 1st.
Posted by The Gunslinger
Member since Jul 2009
408 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 3:59 pm to
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Nope. That one is all on Crowton. Worse play call of the game.
I've been a big JJ defender, but there is plenty of blame on that sack to go around -- JJ, the O-line, Crowton, and Mile.

Maybe the first pass-play call was Crowton's fault, but after JJ narrowly escaped a sack that time, no one should have allowed a second pass-play to be called. Miles should have overruled Crowton's "good thought" or whatever. JJ needed to get rid of the ball faster (although I'm not sure he even had 3-seconds) and he should have stepped up into the pocket. And the O-line just went limp.
Posted by huckiewin
Ft Myers Fl.
Member since Mar 2005
1131 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 4:00 pm to
If you read my post I never said it was his fault, simply the young man, cannot step in the pocket, cannot get rid of the ball, cannot make quick decisions. I never said it was his fault.
Posted by PeaRidgeWatash
Down by the docks of the city
Member since Dec 2004
15210 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 4:01 pm to
A good QB never would of taken a sack when already in FG range. Everything else is mute.
Posted by BayouBengals03
lsu14always
Member since Nov 2007
99999 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 4:02 pm to
It should have never been a passing play. Crowton is an idiot.

Yes, Jefferson needs to step up and not take a sack. But as the OC, it is your job to know that your QB is prone to taking a lot of sacks, and that a run is the best playcall.

So I go 90% Crowton, 10% Jefferson.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49035 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 4:04 pm to
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Everything else is mute.


Posted by TruLsu
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
8934 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 4:04 pm to
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But as the OC, it is your job to know that your QB is prone to taking a lot of sacks, and that a run is the best playcall.
This!
Posted by YellowShoe
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Mar 2006
1383 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 4:07 pm to
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I bet Mccoy, Stafford, in his position would have taken the bull by the horn

I bet they don't. Now prove me wrong.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49035 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 4:07 pm to
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Yes, Jefferson needs to step up and not take a sack. But as the OC, it is your job to know that your QB is prone to taking a lot of sacks, and that a run is the best playcall.

So I go 90% Crowton, 10% Jefferson.


Its much more than this. It wasn't just a passing call, it was the fact that it called for three deep routes (over 20 yards) with no drop off route to a TE or a RB. Jefferson would have not had an opportunity to throw the ball for almost three seconds after the snap because the routes were still being run. Crowton basically called a play that did not offer the quarterback a quick throw. Furthermore, Jefferson has a bad ankle so Crowton knows that he won't be able to escape the pocket. And throw in the fact that Ole Miss had been blitzing like crazy leading up to that play.

This one is ALL on Crowton. Our coaches do not put our players in position to succeed.
This post was edited on 11/24/09 at 4:09 pm
Posted by denvertiger
Golden
Member since Feb 2007
4459 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 4:08 pm to
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A good QB never would of taken a sack when already in FG range. Everything else is mute.


A good coach would have never put his QB in this position to begin with....so everything after that is <ahem> moot.
Posted by YellowShoe
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Mar 2006
1383 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 4:12 pm to
Original post:
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a good QB would have been calling the play while running down the field, but IMO, JJ is not quick to make a decision.
I WILL BE THERE SAT. NIGHT, not in support of LM but in support of the seniors and other players, LM has lost my vote.


Your latest assertion:
quote:

If you read my post I never said it was his fault, simply the young man, cannot step in the pocket, cannot get rid of the ball, cannot make quick decisions. I never said it was his fault.


You need to read that your self. Read the title. You are implicating JJ in whatever problem might be. You talk all about his inability to do 'good QB' things. You did not say anything that you claim in your latest post. Quit making BS up about your own posts .. esp. in the same thread.
Posted by Macavity92
Member since Dec 2004
6251 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 4:13 pm to
If you are going to fault JJ for something it needs to be poor pocket presence and holding on to the ball too long. He does this on a consistent basis. It leads to sacks and not being able to hit the receiver before the defender catches up. I don't think we can trust him to throw anything more than 5-10 yard passes.
Posted by spinoza
Member since Jan 2008
5543 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 4:13 pm to

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a good QB would have been calling the play while running down the field



..."calling the play"...



...exactly what play was Les telling him to call ??



Posted by ATLTiger
#TreyBiletnikoffs
Member since Sep 2003
45955 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 4:17 pm to
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I don't think we can trust him to throw anything more than 5-10 yard passes.


right, unless he's throwing TD passes
Posted by BBATiger
Member since Jun 2005
16688 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 4:20 pm to
My only problem with JJ is that if it was a Hail Mary, you have to reach the end zone. If the clock runs out on the Tolliver catch....that question would have been asked.

Also, on the second fade on the 2 pt converstion (shitty play call, by the way), he threw it out of bounds anyway.
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