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re: JJ 2009 vs Flynn 2007 - who do you pick?

Posted on 11/24/09 at 3:00 pm to
Posted by dogman67
Buna, Texas
Member since Jun 2009
102 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 3:00 pm to
I have no problems with any of that.....I just can't figure out why we can't block...We have two O line coaches, granted we don't have as many players on campus as we would like, we still should be able to run the damn football...I also question our positioning on some of our running plays...When we do a pitch out we are successful (although we rarely do it)....seems like we hesitate far to much on our hand offs....Is that by design? We say it is the O line that is the problem, but I think it is all the way across the board..
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 3:02 pm to
This thread = OL sucks. I wish we'd grab a big-arse JUCO guy who can man handle someone
Posted by PRIDGENTIGER
TN
Member since Jan 2006
828 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 3:03 pm to
im in the same boat as you as far as the run game. It was obvious that the dive plays that we were used to from last year weren't working.usually when we pitched to kw it got us some good yardage. Its seems everything that worked this year, crowton would go away from it
Posted by TigerWoodlands
The Woodlands
Member since Dec 2008
1207 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 3:05 pm to
Easy

Flynn

Decision making
Posted by dogman67
Buna, Texas
Member since Jun 2009
102 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 3:06 pm to
Yes, that is the theme for this year, never seemed to go back to what works...always searching for something and trying to be cute when you don't have to be....
Posted by jjbodean1970
Huntington, WV
Member since Mar 2006
6493 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 3:06 pm to
mcelroy>jj
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49411 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 3:07 pm to
The only problems start in the middle. Hitt and T-Bob just haven't cut it this year. This exposes our outside guys that have to pick up the slack. I also think that we are seeing that Ciron greatly benefitted by playing next to Herman Johnson for three years.

It isn't all OL. Crowton has completely failed at molding the game plan to our personnel and our strengths. We spread the defense out and play Scott (our brusier); then we'll come in tight and give the ball to Keiland. We run Sheppard to the short side of the field which doesn't all him to turn the corner. We hardly ever run a misdirection play or a toss sweep. And I don't want to go into the inept deep routes with no drops offs anymore. This season's play calling has been about as bad as I've seen.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49411 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 3:09 pm to
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mcelroy>jj


I don't know. McElroy has struggled this season despite the best running game and defense in the conference. Honestly, if we flipped them - put Jefferson on Alabama and put McElroy on LSU - what's the records? Alabama is still undefeated but I think LSU has one or two more losses.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 3:10 pm to
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mcelroy>jj


Not a chance..

quote:

Easy

Flynn

Decision making



Which is why Flynn had a lower completion % and more INTs.. right?
Posted by acgeaux129
We are BR
Member since Sep 2007
15011 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 3:11 pm to
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team record


You were bringing that up on Page 2 and 3 of this thread, and you were talking about the caliber of teams each QB faced.

Don't forget that Jefferson's WR corps is much better than Flynn's was.

As for the point about him playing terribly in our two losses, he threw at least one perfect TD pass that was dropped by Zinger against Kentucky if I remember correctly, and Doucet blew it against Arkansas. The first half in the Arkansas game was poor, but Jefferson has put together some poor halves himself. He did terrible in both halves of the Florida game.

And as for the intangibles, "between the ears" argument, it does count, and Flynn wins. It really isn't debatable when you look at Ole Miss 2009 vs. Auburn 2007.

Flynn 2007 is better than JJ 2009 by a small margin, and Jefferson should blow by him by his senior year.
This post was edited on 11/24/09 at 3:13 pm
Posted by dogman67
Buna, Texas
Member since Jun 2009
102 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 3:13 pm to
That is why it is so hard to figure out....How could these guys be this clueless....we have a qb with a bumb foot so we try the option...Who would do that? In fact, I think after that play, the DC for Ole Miss knew he could bring the house..
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49411 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 3:13 pm to
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Don't forget that Jefferson's WR corps is much better than Flynn's was.


I don't know if I'd say much better. Flynn was throwing to three NFL receivers.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476870 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 3:14 pm to
quote:

You were bringing that up on Page 2 and 3 of this thread, and you were talking about the caliber of teams each QB faced.

pre-emptive strike

quote:

at least one perfect TD pass that was dropped by Zinger against Kentucky if I remember correctly,

if zinger jumping the highest he ever jumped to get it = perfect pass, then yes you reemmber correctly

quote:

It really isn't debatable when you look at Ole Miss 2009 vs. Auburn 2007.

the hell?
Posted by jjbodean1970
Huntington, WV
Member since Mar 2006
6493 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 3:14 pm to
quote:

Not a chance..
really?

their stats are eerily similar but i would give the slight edge to mcelroy
Posted by dogman67
Buna, Texas
Member since Jun 2009
102 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 3:14 pm to
Flynn had lesser recievers to work with...right?
Posted by BayouBengals03
lsu14always
Member since Nov 2007
99999 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 3:15 pm to
Flynn '07 is a lot better than Jefferson right now.

But Jefferson in '11 should be better than Flynn '07. And Flynn was a very good player. So that is saying something.
Posted by tandyman
natchitoches, la.
Member since Dec 2007
460 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 3:17 pm to
Was this a serious thread. Flynn possesses gamesmanship. It showed time and time again in 07, the only season he got to play! Maybe JJ will have that to some degree in the future, but right now he has no clue as to what he needs to do to win ball games.
Posted by dogman67
Buna, Texas
Member since Jun 2009
102 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 3:17 pm to
Yep, for some reason if you say jj isn't quite as good as Flynn was, you are saying that JJ is shite....

For some that is what it means....JJ is shite....
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49411 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 3:18 pm to
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Flynn had lesser recievers to work with...right?


I think our receivers are better this year, but I don't think they're a lot better. Flynn had Docuet, Byrd, and Lafell - all NFL receivers. It isn't like he was throwing the ball to Reggie Robinson.
Posted by TigerSpy
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2006
9984 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 3:18 pm to
Flynn and it's not close.
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