re: Jeremy Hill had the best explanation about the fumble recovery that was not.

They did not follow their own procedures regarding a reversal of a ruling on the field. LSU had possession. Touching by a player who is out of bounds does not change that.

It says you must maintain control long enough to make an act common to the game. One of the example of those acts is warding off an opponent. An opponent knocked the ball out his hands, so the refs thought this condition was not satisfied and therefore did not have control. They also said they believed the player was out of bounds when they touched the ball which is by rule (I think rule 4 sec 2 art 3, posted before) so they said dead ball, belongs to bama because by losing control, the player never had possession

How can the LSU player "lose control" before a move common to the game if it was never controlled? If the LSU player has "control" and not possession, and it is then knocked out by a player who is out of bounds before the technical control is determined subjectively, shouldn't the moment he touches the ball determine if the ball is then dead? If so, and the ball was in Brooks hands, the ball is in possession of Brooks at the moment of the dead ball, and not after he "loses control!"

This is my problem... if during a passing play, a receiver has a ball in his hands during a reception with feet down in bounds and a CB who is out of bound touches the ball before a football move is made what is the call? If the ball is dead at the very moment an out of bounds player is in contact with the ball, it should be ruled incomplete even if the receiver completes the sideline catch because he technically didn't have possession/control when the ball is dead!

Or if Brooks maintains possession through the slapped ball by an out of bounds player it would've been LSU's ball? But the ball is dead BEFORE technical possession, so technically it would've been Bama's ball because it was touched before possession was secured?

The point is that the ball was in Brooks control until an out of bounds player touched it immediately creating a dead ball in Brooks hands, so the play should stop at that exact split second when the freeze frame shows his hands on the ball and the knee down therefore it should've remained with LSU despite any other interpretation of the rule... ESPECIALLY if you're overturning a ruling on the field.

Don’t forget. He had a knee down as well

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You’re either intentionally obtuse or have difficulty following. I was replying to your assertion that bc the B1G official agreed with the SEC official then that proves the SEC official was not biased. Yet you ignore the more important call on the goal line where the officials disagreed. Birmingham favored Bama. B1G favored SEC.

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I said nothing of the sort. I pointed out that the B1G guy correctly pointed out what was going to happen before the possibility of a review was even brought up which clearly indicates that it wasn't some made-up or obscure rule or whatever excuse you and our ilk have been throwing out there.

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Well correct the ESPN announcers who said Birmingham.

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We now take what ESPN announcers say as gospel. I'll make a note. Do a little research and then get back to me on how replay works. There are replay officials at every game who handle replay duties, this isn't some big secret.

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Timothy Francis Donaghy (/'d?n?gi/; born January 7, 1967) is a former professional basketball referee who worked in the National Basketball Association (NBA) for 13 seasons from 1994 to 2007 until he was caught in a gambling scandal.

Papers filed in court contain damning allegations by Donaghy that a 2002 playoff series was rigged by referees and that league officials encouraged refs to affect the outcome of games by calling fouls or, in other situations, not calling on fouls on star players.

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That's nice. Again, if it was rigged, how did L.S.U. manage to win?

Easy question. Do you think the game was rigged, yes or no?

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At Evangeline Downs, a state trooper who was secretly monitoring the track noticed the tote board changed after the race was completed. IOW someone was betting AFTER the race bc the tote board changed to reflect bets.

Further investigation revealed one guy at the ticket counter kept his machine open while his buddy watching the race signaled him which horse was winning the race.

Another example, on a very rainy night at Evangeline Downs, in a long race which required horses to go around the track twice, the horse who won, ridden by Sylvester Carmouche, didn’t pass the first round. Carmouche, stopped his horse and waited for the horses to come around again, the took off well ahead of the field.

Fair Grounds, HITS parade derby, the winning horse, owned by the track’s owner, had a post race piss test return positive. He appealed. And the test was lost! Imagine that. Without the test, the case was thrown out and the owner of fair grounds win the $100,000 race.

I can go on with every sport. But if you think officials do not rig contests when money is involved, you are not only incredibly naive but also ignorant of sports history.

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Are you really comparing college football to horse racing? Seriously?

If I were you, I would be far more concerned about players rigging outcomes than officials. Just saying. Since you want to cover the gambling angle, show us how the point spread was affected by either the fumble play or the tip/no tip.

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Brian Kelly said he went for two to keep the game in LSU’s hands. He clearly implied that he did not want the refs to decide it.

I can list a number of bad calls in that game including the hold on Perkins on the Bama td pass which was also face mask and hands to the face (see my thread I started) but an ostrich aka former ref with his head in the sand will not care.

You are biased. As a former ref, you are biased. Period. End of story.

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Wait, a football game with missed calls? Shocking. were any missed that favored L.S.U.? Of course as a biased fanboy you lack the ability to discuss that.

Was replay rigged when they took away a first down from Alabama on a bad spot? Was relay rigged when they took away 9 yards from Alabama on a play later in that same quarter?

It's laughable for a fanboy to start talking about bias when discussing a game in which they have a rooting interest. I certainly hope you're more objective when you're sitting on the bench, your honor.

Care about the opinion of some misinformed, biased fanboy who doesn't have the first clue what's in the rulebook and who claims to be a judge? Absolutely not. Could not possibly care less.

And who said that I am "a former ref"? I certainly didn't.

All that and the essence of the ruling was to reward the illegal touching. There’s several ways of reviewing the play that all properly result in LSU ball.
Two hand possession.
Two hand possession with knee down.
Illegal touching occurred AFTER that.
Spirit of the rule not rewarding illegal touching.

It’s not a catch, idiot.

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You just don’t get this. Do you? The Gumps got 10 free points courtesy of the officiating.

So do you think that there are no such things as conspiracies when many millions of $$ are on the line?

Hahahahahaaaaa

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Fair enough, so since the game was rigged, how was Alabama allowed to lose?

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To make sure I understand what you're saying you think that if the offense fumbles but recovers it downfield that the ball should be returned to the original spot? That's even more brutal than the current fourth down fumble rule. Why penalize the offense for fumbling if they manage to recover it? If the offensive player gains 35 yards and then fumbles and recovers it you would return it to the previous spot? Am I reading that right?

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In context what I am saying is if an out of bounds offensive player touches a fumbled ball and the ball is subsequently recovered by the offense, then the ball should be returned to the original line of scrimmage with loss of down.

Did you not see the replays? It was clear as day that he clearly touched the ball which caused Brooks to bobble the ball.