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re: Jefferson's lack of progress...
Posted on 11/15/10 at 10:14 am to ForeLSU
Posted on 11/15/10 at 10:14 am to ForeLSU
He is mostly doing enough. I thought he has moved the offense more effectively than Lee the last three games. Furthermore, most of the lack of passing yards the last game has to be on the WR's and not the QB. There were at least 4-5 bad drops on Saturday.
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Posted on 11/15/10 at 10:23 am to glaucon
Yep, RR dropped a td and a pretty routine pass across the middle and we all know T. Tolliver is having his struggles.
Posted on 11/15/10 at 10:24 am to TJG210
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Is that an indictment of the coaches or JJ?
Posted on 11/15/10 at 10:37 am to ForeLSU
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much more scheme related than QB development related...fwiw
I somewhat agree, but the same guy couldn't hit the side of a barn a year earlier. You could just see his development every week, if you watched him play, which I suspect that most people here did not.
Face it dude, our offensive coaching is HORRIBLE. The numbers speak for themselves.
Posted on 11/15/10 at 10:41 am to TJG210
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Watching Aaron Murray yesterday made me realize just how bad JJ is.
Murray would look like shite in this offense.
If you watched the UGA and Auburn game, you saw UGA expose AU's weakness in the secondary by throwing in the middle of the field. LSU didn't do this. If Murray was forced to throw to out routes exclusively, with the occasional slant and screen thrown in, he'd have looked like our QBs did against Auburn.
Posted on 11/15/10 at 11:51 am to Antonio Moss
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If you watched the UGA and Auburn game, you saw UGA expose AU's weakness in the secondary by throwing in the middle of the field. LSU didn't do this
cant argue this...
Posted on 11/15/10 at 11:54 am to TigerFan55555
If for nothing else, Crowton should be fired for his performance during the Auburn game.
Posted on 11/15/10 at 11:59 am to TJG210
These are the things that need fixing, and they have not been fixed yet:
1) Field Vision is very poor - He still stares down his primary receiver 95% of the time, and when he tries to look away, he loses his frame of reference and runs.
2) Slow Decision Maker - He sees a player making his move, but takes too long to committ to the throw.
3) His delivery is very slow, adding to factor #2, leaving him vulnerable to a sack or getting hit in his throwing motion. This is alos why he is poor with the quick bubble screen, because instead of a quick wrist release, he has a long wind up throw.
He has successed as follows:
A) A narrow playbook with lots of designed runs by him
B) Rolling him out where he is not sitting in the pocket (because he loses his poise really fast in the pocket)
C) Occasionally, his prime reciever is wide open and he gets rid of the ball just in time to make a great throw, which is what happened on the 51 yard TD to Randle in the UNC game and what happened on the long TD to Randle against Bama. He store down Randle both times, but had enough time in the pocket (barely) before getting nailed, and made a great throw. This has happened twice this year.
That is the story.
1) Field Vision is very poor - He still stares down his primary receiver 95% of the time, and when he tries to look away, he loses his frame of reference and runs.
2) Slow Decision Maker - He sees a player making his move, but takes too long to committ to the throw.
3) His delivery is very slow, adding to factor #2, leaving him vulnerable to a sack or getting hit in his throwing motion. This is alos why he is poor with the quick bubble screen, because instead of a quick wrist release, he has a long wind up throw.
He has successed as follows:
A) A narrow playbook with lots of designed runs by him
B) Rolling him out where he is not sitting in the pocket (because he loses his poise really fast in the pocket)
C) Occasionally, his prime reciever is wide open and he gets rid of the ball just in time to make a great throw, which is what happened on the 51 yard TD to Randle in the UNC game and what happened on the long TD to Randle against Bama. He store down Randle both times, but had enough time in the pocket (barely) before getting nailed, and made a great throw. This has happened twice this year.
That is the story.
This post was edited on 11/15/10 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 11/15/10 at 12:05 pm to therocketscientist
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Occasionally, his prime reciever is wide open and he gets rid of the ball just in time to make a great throw, which is what happened on the 51 yard TD to Randle in the UNC game and what happened on the long TD to Randle against Bama. He store down Randle both times, but had enough time in the pocket (barely) before getting nailed, and made a great throw. This has happened twice this year.
He threw the pass against UNC at the perfect time. Randle was coming open when he released it. If you're going to critique him, at least make it reasonable.
Posted on 11/15/10 at 12:09 pm to Antonio Moss
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He threw the pass against UNC at the perfect time. Randle was coming open when he released it.
you need to watch that play again.
[link=( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0A9GOjKKC0&feature=related)]LINK[/link]
Randle had to slow down and the freshman DB from UNC missed getting there to knock it downs by a fraction of a second. In addition, his stall and studder step in the pocket before his throw made him almost get hit as he threw the ball. The play was awesome as it turned out, but the .2-.4 seconds delay almost cost the plays success. He stepped up in the pocket and had his wind up throwing style and it all worked out just fine in the end.
This post was edited on 11/15/10 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 11/15/10 at 12:12 pm to therocketscientist
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you need to watch that play again. Randle had to slow down and the freshman DB fmr UNC missed getting there to knock it downs by a fraction of a second. The play was awesome as it turned out, but the .2-.4 seconds delay almost cost the plays success.
god i cant count the number of people that missed this...the ball was underthrown...
Posted on 11/15/10 at 12:18 pm to TigerFan55555
The ball was underthrown not because he was late, but because it was a fricking 55+ yard pass in the air.
We've had one QB this decade that could have thrown that ball out in front of the WR.
We've had one QB this decade that could have thrown that ball out in front of the WR.
Posted on 11/15/10 at 12:23 pm to TheBob
Coaching, natural football instincts, Football IQ, and quick release are the differences between Murray and JJ
Posted on 11/15/10 at 12:30 pm to Antonio Moss
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Murray would look like shite in this offense.
If you watched the UGA and Auburn game, you saw UGA expose AU's weakness in the secondary by throwing in the middle of the field. LSU didn't do this. If Murray was forced to throw to out routes exclusively, with the occasional slant and screen thrown in, he'd have looked like our QBs did against Auburn.
Our o-line was more of the issue with Au. We didn't try deep passes because the o-line wasn't providing the time. The coaches tried to compensate by throwing the short pass.
when the line protects, like florida, like bama, then the qb's have time to throw deeper routes.
We have the routes called, it takes the o-line blocking, the qb making the throw, and the wr catching. I'd be willing to bet r.r. has more drops in two games than a.j. green does for the season.
Posted on 11/15/10 at 12:31 pm to Tiger Ryno
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Coaching, natural football instincts, Football IQ, and quick release are the differences between Murray and JJ
So, other than that they are pretty equal?
Posted on 11/15/10 at 12:33 pm to dos crystal
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Our o-line was more of the issue with Au. We didn't try deep passes because the o-line wasn't providing the time. The coaches tried to compensate by throwing the short pass.
Instead of double teaming or chipping Fairley. It was one player dominating, not their entire defensive line. Just another example of poor adjustments by Crowton.
Also failed to throw one screen pass to keep the DL honest. Eveyone knew how good he was coming into the game and Crowton failed to account for it.
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when the line protects, like florida, like bama, then the qb's have time to throw deeper routes.
It didn't have to be deep, just over the middle. When you constantly throw to the outside, it allows the secondary to cheat over and narrow the passing lanes. This is what Auburn did.
Posted on 11/15/10 at 12:51 pm to Antonio Moss
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Instead of double teaming or chipping Fairley. It was one player dominating, not their entire defensive line. Just another example of poor adjustments by Crowton.
Also failed to throw one screen pass to keep the DL honest.quote:
Eveyone knew how good he was coming into the game and Crowton failed to account for it.
they did double fairley and it didn't work. he beat it.
yes, everyone knew and everyone still knows because NO ONE, NO COACH, has stopped NICK FAIRLEY OR CAM NEWTON.
what was the route when fairley smashed jefferson into the ground?
what was the route where randal tipped the ball and it was an int?
you can call any play you want. it takes the o-line blocking, the qb making the throw, and the wr catching the ball. those three haven't come together very often in the last two seasons for lsu.
sometimes they block and bad throw, sometimes it's blocked and thrown well and wr drops. sometimes it's a drop back and being chased or sacked before you can throw.
This post was edited on 11/15/10 at 12:52 pm
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