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re: Jarrett Lee's Pick Sixes

Posted on 1/11/09 at 7:14 pm to
Posted by Kim Jong Ir
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2008
55236 posts
Posted on 1/11/09 at 7:14 pm to
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You have met your worthless post quota for the day. You can stop now, k

He's on another roll.
Posted by tigerhack
Member since Nov 2007
431 posts
Posted on 1/11/09 at 7:15 pm to
as i recall only about two or three couldn't have been stopped but the others could have been tackled. if you watched the games you would have seen the defensive player waiting for the pass as if he knew it was coming. each int. was the same the defense knew ahead of time what the play was.when your play calls are that predictalbe you will throw pick 6's every game. don't blame the qb's for something they were told to do. they're not 4th or 5th year seniors only freshmen.when the play calls were different while we trying to catch up there were no more ints and we scored on almost every series we touched the ball. its in the play calling.
Posted by Good Times
Hill top in Tn
Member since Nov 2007
24835 posts
Posted on 1/11/09 at 7:23 pm to
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Thats a lot of points off of one players turnovers


The change of possession is ONE player's. The points came off of the rest of the offensive team. Judge the reasons for yourself, I say bout 35% was players not converting to defensive players fast enough, and 60% luck of the draw that was a bad streak, and 5% UFO activity.
Posted by ready4something
virginia beach
Member since Jul 2008
6541 posts
Posted on 1/11/09 at 7:30 pm to
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I am guessing 2-3 could have been stopped from getting to the endzone with better tackling effort from the offensive players.


Please will someone show me a video with Lee in the picture at least attempting to stop a defender that picked off one of his passes. JUST ONE>
Posted by tigerhack
Member since Nov 2007
431 posts
Posted on 1/11/09 at 9:35 pm to
the last pick 6 lee threw the player was surrounded by players and still went untouched for a td.thats completely unacceptable. tackleing this season on both sides of the ball was terrible this year.
Posted by ready4something
virginia beach
Member since Jul 2008
6541 posts
Posted on 1/11/09 at 9:39 pm to
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the last pick 6 lee threw the player was surrounded by players and still went untouched for a td


didn't see lee in that picture either.
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
20898 posts
Posted on 1/11/09 at 10:07 pm to
The pick-6's are mostly an anomaly. The Auburn one was really bad but apart from that JL couldn't done that (throw all the pick 6's) had he been trying to.

Posted by tigerhack
Member since Nov 2007
431 posts
Posted on 1/11/09 at 10:09 pm to
didn't know lee was a tackle. i do remember jj threw an int. and the player was tackled on the 1 yard line but not by jj.so whats the point. qb's normally don't tackle. you get them hurt and your really screwed.
Posted by erik
Member since Jun 2007
678 posts
Posted on 1/11/09 at 10:15 pm to
i dont see how the guy did it every game. he should get a medal or something
Posted by ATLTiger
#TreyBiletnikoffs
Member since Sep 2003
46366 posts
Posted on 1/11/09 at 10:17 pm to
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the last pick 6 lee threw the player was surrounded by players and still went untouched for a td.thats completely unacceptable.


which one was that?
Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
Ft. Lauderdale
Member since Jul 2005
33353 posts
Posted on 1/11/09 at 10:21 pm to
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I am guessing 2-3 could have been stopped from getting to the endzone with better tackling effort from the offensive players.
I'm guessing it wouldn't come to that if he didn't throw them in the first place.
Posted by Cadello
Eunice
Member since Dec 2007
48919 posts
Posted on 1/11/09 at 10:23 pm to
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Your thoughts?
You're a fricking retarded monkey that has learned to use a computer.
Why bash a player after the season is over? He was benched for the bowl game, what more do you want? Some of his blood?
I hope when you are down someone kicks you really hard in the nads....bitch
Posted by TigerinSoCal
Pasadena, CA
Member since Dec 2008
996 posts
Posted on 1/11/09 at 10:52 pm to
I agree with the posters who said, get over it, this issue really has been beat to death. But since we gonna discuss it yet again.....

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i dont see how the guy did it every game. he should get a medal or something


Actually, the play calling had a big part to do it (as someone else noted). Many of the interceptions were players "jumping" the route. The int on the first play of the GA game is a perfect example. First, why the hell are we calling a delayed slant on the first play of the game with what was then a very solid running game. Second, if you watch the play, the LB read the play from the start and jumped the route from the inside. JL never saw the guy, a common mistake I saw some very well paid professional QBs make just today as well. The issue, however, is how did the LB know that was where the ball was going? Something about our formation or tendencies tipped him. Blame the QB if you want, but the play calling has to take some heat as well.

Again, folks redshirt freshman QB playing in the SEC. We all knew the QB position was going to struggle this year. It did, get over it.
Posted by tigerhack
Member since Nov 2007
431 posts
Posted on 1/11/09 at 11:33 pm to
i couldn't agree with you more.
Posted by Ninja Looter
Member since Sep 2008
1848 posts
Posted on 1/12/09 at 12:28 am to
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the pick six is the stupidest statistical category. a pick is a pick and that is where it ends on the qb's part.


Amazing, someone who knows what they are talking about. The fact that so many of Lee's picks went for TDs was simply an anomaly.
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12744 posts
Posted on 1/12/09 at 12:35 am to
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He needs to figure something out, what he's trying now isn't working
How exactly is it that you presume to know what Lee is trying now? Have you seen him take a snap in the last 5 weeks? Have you seen him attempt a pass in a game this week?

We have no idea what he is "trying now", so it is just silly to pretend to know that it "isn't working."

Posted by heartbreakTiger
grinding for my grinders
Member since Jan 2008
138974 posts
Posted on 1/12/09 at 12:57 am to
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I am guessing 2-3 could have been stopped from getting to the endzone with better tackling effort from the offensive players.



dont forget though 2 more could have been easily taken back. 1 at usce to like the 3 or so and then the one vs bama in the first q that lead to a td
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138524 posts
Posted on 1/12/09 at 8:13 am to
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Actually, the play calling had a big part to do it (as someone else noted). Many of the interceptions were players "jumping" the route. The int on the first play of the GA game is a perfect example.
NO.

On a delayed slant, the QB HAS TO LOOK THE DEFENDERS OFF. JL did just the opposite. His eyes led roaming defenders right to the play. Has nothing to do with "play calling" and everything to do with execution.

In so far as the pick sixes not being the QB's fault, it depends on the route. If a QB tries to force an isolated out-route and gets picked, he's just given away 6 points. If a QB tries to force a swing pass and gets picked, that's 6 points. Deep or to the center of the field is a different story, shouldn't get run back. In JL's case, several ints were predictable opponent TDs based on the routes and throws.

Overall JL's inexperience and lack of mobility hurt him. JJ has better options albeit less experience. Instead of forcing throws he's much more likely to have success running. So he doesn't have to take the same chances.
Posted by VernonPLSUfan
Leesville, La.
Member since Sep 2007
17791 posts
Posted on 1/12/09 at 8:45 am to
Strengths and weaknessess going into this year.
Strengths: 1. Offensive line
2. Running backs
3. Receivers (T.E. and wide outs)
4. Kicker (Colt David)
5. Defensive line
6. Linebackers
7. Returners (kick and punt)
8. Head coach

Weakenessess
1. Q.B. Q. B and Q. B.
2. Secondary
3. Co-Defensive Cordinators.

Even with the pick sixes, we should have won at least two more games. Going into the year a 2 loss team looked pretty good. It was how we lost that looked like this team was lost in space. The team that beat Ga. Tech was nothing like what we saw all year long, except for the Alabama game at times. It was a tough year with the hurricane and Q.B., but to review. LSU defense to me was a bigger disappointment than all the others combined. We could'nt stop Arkansas or Troy St., how can we stop Ga. or Fla.
Hopefully this coaching change will mend most of that.
Posted by amiznit
Missouri City
Member since Apr 2005
1855 posts
Posted on 1/12/09 at 8:51 am to
It wasn't even supposed to be a delayed slant. LaFell either ran a quick out or a short curl (I don't remember which, but the play definitely was not going back to the middle of the field). The MLB was in a zone in the middle of the field and followed Lee's eyes.
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