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re: Jarrett Lee (man-crush alert)
Posted on 10/12/11 at 3:03 pm to OBUDan
Posted on 10/12/11 at 3:03 pm to OBUDan
quote:
He wasn't any good before this year. So what I said was true, right?
That is where we disagree
In '08, he was tasked with playing from behind against some VERY GOOD teams. The fact that there were so many picks returned for TDs speaks more to the lackluster effort of teammates (average return of 46 yards), than to his being a poor fresahaman QB. Lee could get the offense down the field (Troy, Auburn, S. Car. Fla). He played better than Gilbert, and either of Florida's young QBs, when thrown into the same situation
In '09, he sat
In '10, he started the 2nd longest streak in LSU history without an int. He led several comebacks and saves. And had the Tiger nation begging for him to start.
In '11, we finally see what he can do with a good defense (unlike '08), and without having to constantly be the 'passing QB' (unlike '10). I think he is a good QB, and would be stellar at this point, if he had not picked splinters in '09 & '10.
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Posted on 10/12/11 at 3:04 pm to OBUDan
quote:
He wasn't any good before this year. So what I said was true, right?
Obvious JL hater is obvious.
Nobody is claiming him to be a heisman contender, but for you to say that he wasn't "any good" last year is ridiculous. He contributed a lot in some of our wins, which means he was good enough
Posted on 10/12/11 at 3:04 pm to Wideman
quote:I meant enough to allow LSU to win.
I think he's a little more than just "enough".
He has had a few flashes of brilliance, but mostly he just plays within himself.
quote:Oh dear God, yes. I'm sure you are about to be met with alot of "no it was mostly Jefferson, not Crowton", though.
The main difference is the packages and formations. Last year, on three consecutive plays, we would be in I-formation, then 5-wide, then basic spread formation.
Each play, we would sub in 3-5 guys... We would line up with about 7-10 seconds left on the play clock. The plays were rushed... the players were rushed... and we lacked consistency.
I am so glad we put Crowton behind us. . .
Posted on 10/12/11 at 3:05 pm to OBUDan
quote:this is wrong. 2010 @Florida says hey, as an obvious example.
[Lee] wasn't any good before this year. So what I said was true, right?
Posted on 10/12/11 at 3:10 pm to Roaad
quote:I don't think Jefferson was calling for the formation and package changes after every play. Subbing in that many players... using a different formation every play... getting the play to the field with 13 seconds left on the play clock... rarely running a successful play more than once throughout the game... these weren't the fault of any player.
I'm sure you are about to be met with alot of "no it was mostly Jefferson, not Crowton", though.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 3:11 pm to whodidthat
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Obvious JL hater is obvious.
quote:
Nobody is claiming him to be a heisman contender,
Actually, a lot of people are saying similar things.
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but for you to say that he wasn't "any good" last year is ridiculous. He contributed a lot in some of our wins, which means he was good enough
He did have some good moments.
He also had some bad ones.
He's a marginal player that is a great kid and is doing what we need. I'm fine with that. But shouting his praises from the rooftop, claiming he's ALL SEC/best QB in the SEC etc. is all just over reaction.
I'm excited that LSU is awesome. I'm excited that Lee is contributing to that. I'm happy that Lee gets a chance to right his earlier guffaws.
But none of that makes him a great player.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 3:11 pm to Wideman
Seeing Lee and Jefferson looking at the sidelines and throwing their hands in the air in confusion after every mass substitution. . .
. . .those days I will not miss.
. . .those days I will not miss.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 3:17 pm to OBUDan
quote:
But none of that makes him a great player.
A great player, in a team sport, does what he is asked to do with no mistakes. That's his job.
How many has he made this year? Lee has played great this year. I know it makes you butthurt, but based off your posting history, your comments in this thread and that abortion after the Oregon game...just give it up.
BTW, your obvious agenda is OBVIOUS.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 3:21 pm to TIsuGGER
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In '08, he was tasked with playing from behind against some VERY GOOD teams.
Yes.
quote:
he fact that there were so many picks returned for TDs speaks more to the lackluster effort of teammates (average return of 46 yards), than to his being a poor fresahaman QB
Now you are just defending him because you like him. Almost every single one of those pick sixes were the same type of throw, where he was baited into it, with a LB having a clear path to the endzone as a result.
quote:
Lee could get the offense down the field (Troy, Auburn, S. Car. Fla). He played better than Gilbert, and either of Florida's young QBs, when thrown into the same situation
I don't really care if he played better than a bunch of bad QBs, personally.
quote:
In '09, he sat
Was beat out by JJ...
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In '10, he started the 2nd longest streak in LSU history without an int. He led several comebacks and saves. And had the Tiger nation begging for him to start.
Lee had some good moments last year. He also had some bad ones. JJ played in those "comebacks" as well.
It's your opinion that "we don't win those games without Lee." That's fine. But it works both ways. "We don't win those games without JJ." We needed both guys last year; we need both guys this year.
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In '11, we finally see what he can do with a good defense (unlike '08), and without having to constantly be the 'passing QB' (unlike '10). I think he is a good QB, and would be stellar at this point, if he had not picked splinters in '09 & '10.
He's played pretty well to date.
He completely faded last year, after starting so well. He did nothing against Auburn. He made one throw against Bama that was very important, but other than that, he did nothing down the stretch, while JJ emerged and took back sole possession of the job.
I hope he continues to build and improve every week this year. We don't know what will happen yet. He's in a much better situation than he was in '08 and than JJ or he were in '09/'10.
His decision making and ball placement worry me, but I'd say the same about JJ looking at history.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 3:22 pm to CptBengal
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A great player, in a team sport, does what he is asked to do with no mistakes. That's his job.
You have a very loose definition of great...
quote:
How many has he made this year? Lee has played great this year. I know it makes you butthurt, but based off your posting history, your comments in this thread and that abortion after the Oregon game...just give it up.
BTW, your obvious agenda is OBVIOUS.
You never fail to prove how stupid you are.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 3:26 pm to clamdip
quote:
this is wrong. 2010 @Florida says hey, as an obvious example.
He played great that game.
I've said JJ isn't very good throughout this thread, and he's had many games better than that one.
One game isn't a good sample for judging a player's body of worth.
I'm talking about comparing our QB play to what is nationally considered good, here.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 3:27 pm to OBUDan
I still don't understand why someone like you is not banned. We don't need you or like you. This post is not bout JJ. This post is recognizing the good job that Jarrett Lee has done. He has been outstanding. He is all class. Just leave it alone and take your hate somewhere else.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 3:29 pm to OBUDan
quote:
Ok, I pulled up the article.
Was it written by Just Me with you as the co-author?
Posted on 10/12/11 at 3:30 pm to rickyh
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I still don't understand why someone like you is not banned.
Why would I get banned? For talking objectively about LSU football?
quote:
We don't need you or like you.
Who are you speaking for? A lot of people like me. But you are probably right, not many need me.
quote:
This post is not bout JJ
THen why do people keep bringing him up?
quote:
This post is recognizing the good job that Jarrett Lee has done.
Actually, this was written before he played a snap this year. So this post is about a guy who just really liked Jarrett Lee, no matter what. And I think that's cool, because I like Jarrett Lee too.
quote:
He is all class.
I do agree.
quote:
Just leave it alone and take your hate somewhere else.
Aw, that's sad ricky. I don't have any hate really though.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 3:31 pm to msully
quote:Good god
LOL he is better than some playing in the NFL now
Posted on 10/12/11 at 3:34 pm to rickyh
quote:What kind of idiotic shite is this?
I still don't understand why someone like you is not banned. We don't need you or like you.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 3:37 pm to Louie T
Posted on 10/12/11 at 3:38 pm to Louie T
nice thread
but its funny to see people that adamantly defend Jefferson for years now on Lee's side.
but its funny to see people that adamantly defend Jefferson for years now on Lee's side.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 3:55 pm to Lester Earl
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but its funny to see people that adamantly defend Jefferson for years now on Lee's side.
It has to be hard for the posters that trashed Lee for trying to do what was asked of him in 08. They saw Jefferson have some good passing numbers (great in the RZ) in 2009, then when he regressed it was all on Crowton. Lee comes in and does a nice job on occasion last year.
Coming into this year a lot of people were all in on JJ, and in turn it seems like that meant they downplayed Lee's ability to improve. Some posters actually said he wasn't good (which is what the last few pages of this thread are about).
Props to OBUDan for sticking around and at least acknowledging the issues. I'm sure a majority of the fans that were posting stupid shite saying how Lee isn't good and can't improve the way JJ did (or would have this year) just choose to ignore it and not admit that they were completely wrong about what Lee could do for the offense.
8 touchdowns and 1 interception from a guy who people were saying shouldn't play another snap after 08
JJ 2009: 7.32 YPA, 5.7 TD%, 2.4 INT%, 137.2 rating
JL 2011: 8.03 YPA, 6.8 TD%, 0.8 INT%, 148.3 rating
For comparison:
MF 2007: 6.71 YPA, 5.8 TD%, 3.1 INT%, 125.8 rating
JR 2006: 9.15 YPA, 8.2 TD%, 2.3 INT%, 167.0 rating
This post was edited on 10/12/11 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 10/12/11 at 3:58 pm to Boh
quote:Probably no harder than the Lee lovers who said Jefferson doesn't deserve any playing time...
It has to be hard for the posters that trashed Lee for trying to do what was asked of him in 08.
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