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Posted on 9/30/25 at 4:09 pm to bayou85
It’s not prioritized and it’s shows by the lack of creativity in the run game. It’s basically been a change up since Denbrock left.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 4:12 pm to Madking
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It’s basically been a change up since Denbrock left.
And not for the better.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 4:13 pm to misey94
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fricking hell. Can you motherfrickers all go buy NCAA 26 or pick up a copy of Football for Dummies and figure out the difference between a fricking Zone Read and an RPO?
Jacob Hester literally said RPO in the video linked in the OP.
RPO still doesn't negate the fact that defenders are not worried about Nuss running. Call it whatever you want, Nuss ain't running and defenses know this. He might pass and that's an option and the OL seems to do okay when he decides to pass. But when he decides to run against a three man front they OL is not firing off the ball and the blocking is delayed. The only reason to use RPO is if you need a change up from running power.
This post was edited on 9/30/25 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 9/30/25 at 4:14 pm to bayou85
It’s crazy if you look at how he calls ND’s offense. He’s even more run heavy which speaks to Kelly’s preference of what takes priority in his offense.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 4:18 pm to GumboPot
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Jacob Hester literally said RPO in the video linked in the OP.
His point is RPOs aren't usually kept by QB. They are handoff/pass options. Zone Read/Read Options are QB keep or handoff depending on one lineman or LB, usually edge. Sometimes DT if its inside.
Point being, far too many people think RPO has a QB keep option but that is an option for every pass play technically. But QB keeping the ball on an RPO would probably not follow the play design.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 4:21 pm to GumboPot
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Jacob Hester literally said RPO in the video linked in the OP.
He’s talking about the RPO because we do run it and he’s right- because of the passing element, OL have to be aware that they can’t fire off and get more than 4 yards downfield, or it’s a flag. If they are super aggressive and get to the second level and the QB reads pass, they will get an Ineligible Man Downfield penalty.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 4:25 pm to misey94
If it’s too much trouble for the Oline to execute an RPO we have bigger internal coaching issues than we want to believe.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 4:25 pm to bayou85
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They are handoff/pass options. Zone Read/Read Options are QB keep or handoff depending on one lineman or LB, usually edge
Even last years NFL OL could not run block out of the RPO run option. IMO the reason is there is no contrast. Sloan is throwing the same concepts at the defense every time so they know what to expect. Change it up a little. Get under center and in the I formation and run between the tackles a couple of times. When they start creeping up, play action them. Then put in a couple of RPOs. The contrast between power formations and RPOs will make the RPO run options much more effective, IMO.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 4:26 pm to GumboPot
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But when he decides to run against a three man front they OL is not firing off the ball and the blocking is delayed. The only reason to use RPO is if you need a change up from running power.
If we ran a Zone Read where Nuss might run the ball if he reads the DE crashing in, then the OL would have no reason to play tentative. There is no pass option on that play.
The only other play that Nuss will run on is a scramble out of the pocket or a tuck and run on a roll-out. We aren’t running QB Power and Counter with him. Nor should we be if he’s injured.
RPO is the PERFECT play for a QB who is not a threat to run the ball. It makes the LBs and Safeties have to wait to see what the read is to react. If they get burned by one or two, the slower they get trying to avoid guessing. And it’s generally very simple. It’s one or two reads max.
This post was edited on 9/30/25 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 9/30/25 at 4:27 pm to GumboPot
I think they need to get more traditional running and then compliment that with RPO and screens.
When they've run tosses, they've worked but we don't do it more than once. I don't remember any counters either.
When they've run tosses, they've worked but we don't do it more than once. I don't remember any counters either.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 4:27 pm to misey94
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RPO is the PERFECT play for a QB who is not a threat to run the ball.
bingo
Posted on 9/30/25 at 4:28 pm to bayou85
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I think they need to get more traditional running and then compliment that with RPO and screens.
agree
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When they've run tosses, they've worked
agree
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I don't remember any counters either.
i think you are right
Posted on 9/30/25 at 4:30 pm to bayou85
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I think they need to get more traditional running and then compliment that with RPO and screens. When they've run tosses, they've worked but we don't do it more than once. I don't remember any counters either.
We ran 2 or 3 counters vs Clemson and maybe 1 vs Tech. Haven’t seen one since. I am hoping we see them return after the Bye, as that’s an Alex Atkins specialty and it doesn’t require perfect blocking if executed properly.
We ran a toss that was blown up by OM, but running outside, a few jets, and throwing into the flats has been the best “run” game we have right now.
The issue with screens is that we’ve been seeing a lot of drop 7 or 8 coverage and more zone than typical. We still pass in the flats and throw bubbles to the WRs, but the screen game we saw vs Clemson doesn’t work against the defense we are seeing a lot of at the moment.
This post was edited on 9/30/25 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 9/30/25 at 4:31 pm to bayou85
Right.
It's ridiculous that they can't figure out a way to run the ball some. They didn't even Try to run the ball and tired out the defense.
It's ridiculous that they can't figure out a way to run the ball some. They didn't even Try to run the ball and tired out the defense.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 4:31 pm to Fat Bastard
There’s been zero attempt to adjust the offense according to its personnel and there are things that have worked, even with the current problems, that we abandon. It’s a total clutsterfrick top to bottom on offense.
This post was edited on 9/30/25 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 9/30/25 at 4:31 pm to misey94
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It makes the LBs and Safeties have to wait to see what the read is to react.
Safeties are creeping up because they are not afraid of getting beat deep. The OM defensive players were constantly cheating up and LSU never took advantage.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 4:32 pm to bayou85
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I think they need to get more traditional running and then compliment that with RPO and screens.
When they've run tosses, they've worked but we don't do it more than once. I don't remember any counters either.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 4:34 pm to GumboPot
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Safeties are creeping up because they are not afraid of getting beat deep. The OM defensive players were constantly cheating up and LSU never took advantage.
I don’t disagree on the lack of the deep threat being an issue, but the purpose of the RPO is to make the Safeties start a play flat-footed, rather than immediately crashing for a run or dropping for a pass. And it’s to make them pay if they aren’t tentative and guess wrong.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 4:42 pm to Chalkywhite84
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They didn't even Try to run the ball and tired out the defense.
There are multiple defenders unblocked when we try to run.
The 2 point try should have been a walk in.
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