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Its really pretty simple.now that I think about it
Posted on 9/25/19 at 5:52 am
Posted on 9/25/19 at 5:52 am
Ive wondered about the points given up to vandy since I'm reminded about it on sec rant, all day everyday. Every time I look at that board. Its crazy how obvious it is.
Of course you give up more points then in years past. The opponents are getting the ball back, almost twice as much. So of course they will score twice as much as they would in the past.
I mean that's really the most obvious simple way to look at it. Its like we're so close to it as football fans that were seeing too much.
A non football fan would see that so clearly, I imagine.
It's like we're over thinking it or something.
Of course you give up more points then in years past. The opponents are getting the ball back, almost twice as much. So of course they will score twice as much as they would in the past.
I mean that's really the most obvious simple way to look at it. Its like we're so close to it as football fans that were seeing too much.
A non football fan would see that so clearly, I imagine.
It's like we're over thinking it or something.
This post was edited on 9/25/19 at 5:53 am
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Posted on 9/25/19 at 5:59 am to Tigerpride18
I am overthinking this right now and will let you know what I conclude.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 6:02 am to liquid rabbit
I conclude that you’re overthinking this right now.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 6:10 am to Tigerpride18
Posted on 9/25/19 at 6:10 am to Tigerpride18
First drive vs vandy and northwestern were touchdowns
First drive of second half vs vandy was a touchdown
This isn't due to more chances w the ball...It's missed assignments and tackling .
First drive of second half vs vandy was a touchdown
This isn't due to more chances w the ball...It's missed assignments and tackling .
Posted on 9/25/19 at 6:33 am to TriumphTiger
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2010 Game
Jordan Jefferson: 8/20 - 96 yards - 0 TD - 1 INT
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2019 Game
Joe Burrow: 25/34 - 398 yards - 6 TD - 0 INT
This post was edited on 9/25/19 at 8:14 am
Posted on 9/25/19 at 6:35 am to Tigerpride18
quote:You are for sure. Piss Poor tackling and missed assignment are hurting us.
It's like we're over thinking it or something.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 6:49 am to LSUtigers111
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Joe Burrow: 35/34 - 398 yards - 6 TD - 0 INT
Burrow has to be the first QB in history with more completions than attempts. #GOAT
Posted on 9/25/19 at 6:50 am to Tigerpride18
This isn't a fresh argument, as it has actually been mentioned several times. But it's not a valid argument, and the reason is simple: Just because LSU is scoring quickly does not mean that opponents are getting more possessions. Our old offense failed to move the ball with any consistency, and so that meant our defense spent a lot of time on the field.
If LSU could hold Alabama's vaunted offense from last year to 29 points, with our offense putting up zero, there is no reason for Vandy to score 24.
People are trying too hard to rationalize what's going on with the defense. Missed tackles, blown assignments and injuries have all been the main factors. The injuries cannot be controlled, obviously, but everything else is correctable. It's just a matter of how receptive the players are to what they are being told, and how much they want to improve. We won't have that answer until we see it play out.
For now, it's troubling, but I'm hoping that this bye week will give the players an opportunity to reflect and reassess their approach on the field, and to realize what a special season this has a chance to be.
If LSU could hold Alabama's vaunted offense from last year to 29 points, with our offense putting up zero, there is no reason for Vandy to score 24.
People are trying too hard to rationalize what's going on with the defense. Missed tackles, blown assignments and injuries have all been the main factors. The injuries cannot be controlled, obviously, but everything else is correctable. It's just a matter of how receptive the players are to what they are being told, and how much they want to improve. We won't have that answer until we see it play out.
For now, it's troubling, but I'm hoping that this bye week will give the players an opportunity to reflect and reassess their approach on the field, and to realize what a special season this has a chance to be.
This post was edited on 9/25/19 at 6:51 am
Posted on 9/25/19 at 6:53 am to Metaloctopus
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Just because LSU is scoring quickly does not mean that opponents are getting more possessions.
You haven’t looked at the numbers. Opponents are getting on average, six more possessions a game.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 6:59 am to Vastmind
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Opponents are getting on average, six more possessions a game.
Maybe if our defense slowed them down a little bit, as they have in years past, they wouldn’t get so many possessions
Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:01 am to LSUtigers111
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Joe Burrow: 35/34
This record will never be beat. LOL!
Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:02 am to Vastmind
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You haven’t looked at the numbers. Opponents are getting on average, six more possessions a game.
Opponents aren't getting more time on the field than they ever have. So how does that compute to more possessions?
When your offense is putting up 50 and 60 points, they are giving the defense more than enough rest, even if they are a quick strike offense. LSU's struggles with tackling start from the beginning on through the end of these last three games. So fatigue is not the issue.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:05 am to Tigerpride18
I think it’s more to do with in the past opponents knew we weren’t going to score a ton, so THEY were able to play very conservative on offense as well. Helped our defense. Towards the end of miles tenure other teams started to open up the offenses and try to outscore LSU offense instead of getting into a defensive slugfest, (this is basically what modern football has become, we’re just not used to seeing it at LSU-rules all favor the offense, so you have to be able to score quickly to keep up. ) knowing they could afford a turnover or 2 because our offense was so bad/predictable/time consuming. A 2 score lead on LSU was a lot to overcome in those days.
Also we don’t have a devin white, or game changing dlineman. You absolutely need that to dominate on defense no matter how good your dbs are. (And ours are good but young and need experience, just like our wrs last season)
Also we don’t have a devin white, or game changing dlineman. You absolutely need that to dominate on defense no matter how good your dbs are. (And ours are good but young and need experience, just like our wrs last season)
This post was edited on 9/25/19 at 7:09 am
Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:13 am to Tigerpride18
I agree in part. There is definitely a higher percentage chance that teams score if they get twice as many chances. That being said, 18 missed tackles and the blown gap assignments mean we should still be doing better.
If they can clean that up in the bye week, and we can get our starters healthy, I think we will close the gap on where we expected this defense to be versus where it is significantly.
If they can clean that up in the bye week, and we can get our starters healthy, I think we will close the gap on where we expected this defense to be versus where it is significantly.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:31 am to Tigerpride18
I do keep it simple... We miss D White more than we hoped that we would. Its almost like a domino effect. That guy was a generational talent in every category. Add the loss of key DL starters and I see the defense simply not playing with the same consistency in the front seven. This might be one of the reasons why GD7 hasn't been blitzing as much. There is also no doubt that they all need to work on wrapping up better.
So no, they aren't giving up more points because of the offense. We are just not used to seeing them underperform like this.
The good news is that we will be returning our game changers on the DL in time for Fla and these problems can be fixed.
So no, they aren't giving up more points because of the offense. We are just not used to seeing them underperform like this.
The good news is that we will be returning our game changers on the DL in time for Fla and these problems can be fixed.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:55 am to TriumphTiger
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2010 game
2019 game
2019 LSU defense actually forced more 3-and-outs against Vandy than the 2010 Defense.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 8:19 am to BentonTiger7
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Burrow has to be the first QB in history with more completions than attempts. #GOAT
Haha, my bad typed that on my phone. edited.
Also, in 2010 Jefferson had 7 passing TDs the entire season, and Burrow had 6 passing TDs against Vandy
... That's funny and sad at the same time.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 8:22 am to TriDitty
I know were not having good gap integrity and that we're not tackling. That's why there scoring on us.
I'm saying, teams have the ball on average 6more times in a game when we run our hurry up ,this year, compared to last year.
It's just inevitable that a team will score more points possessing the ball 20 times in a game versus 26 times in a game..
Theres literally no way you won't give up more more when that happens.unless we jus5 stopped them every time no matter what.
I mean theres stats for how many points per possession a team makes. That tells you that if a team is scoring let's say,for example, 3 points per possession ,and they get 6 more possessions because of our offense this year, then they will score 18 more points a game, once again, on average.
If Opponents get 6more possesions, on average, then last year. Then you can multiply that by the opponents, let's say, 3 points per possession. this example would make it to where it equals 18 more points given up per game, on average.
The opponent getting, on average, 6 more possessions a game then last year.that is a fact, I looked it up,abd did the math.
The 3 points per possession for opponents was just a number I made up to give this example.
I'm saying, teams have the ball on average 6more times in a game when we run our hurry up ,this year, compared to last year.
It's just inevitable that a team will score more points possessing the ball 20 times in a game versus 26 times in a game..
Theres literally no way you won't give up more more when that happens.unless we jus5 stopped them every time no matter what.
I mean theres stats for how many points per possession a team makes. That tells you that if a team is scoring let's say,for example, 3 points per possession ,and they get 6 more possessions because of our offense this year, then they will score 18 more points a game, once again, on average.
If Opponents get 6more possesions, on average, then last year. Then you can multiply that by the opponents, let's say, 3 points per possession. this example would make it to where it equals 18 more points given up per game, on average.
The opponent getting, on average, 6 more possessions a game then last year.that is a fact, I looked it up,abd did the math.
The 3 points per possession for opponents was just a number I made up to give this example.
This post was edited on 9/25/19 at 8:23 am
Posted on 9/25/19 at 8:32 am to Tigerpride18
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There's truth to what you're saying, BUT Vandy had a total of 31 points over the previous 6 games.
This completely misses the point.
The other teams vandy played against ,like Georgia, run a pro style offense. our offense is completely different. We scored so fast that vandy got many more possessions then they got against Georgia. That's why it's impossible to compare us to the other teams they play?
I mean, if you have the ball 25 times in one game versus 20 times in another game ,which game on average do you score more points in?
Georgias great d would have given up 12 instead of 6 if they scored as fast as we did. Georgia's score would go up as well .
This is why points per possession is the best metric there is, for a defensive evaluation
This post was edited on 9/25/19 at 8:36 am
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