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re: It'll only take ONE game to know what we're in for with Harris.

Posted on 8/31/16 at 7:57 am to
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48018 posts
Posted on 8/31/16 at 7:57 am to
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I'd say it fair assumption that LSU is superior talent wise to majority teams we play. Most other people would agree, besides you of course.


There are numerous sec programs that recruit just as well as us. Im sorry that your opinion doesnt fit facts.
We arent VASTLY superior to the majority of the sec teams. The only program in the sec thats vastly superior in talent is bama. Their 2016 draft class alone was almost as big as our 2015&2016 draft class combined.

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Stats don't tell the truth.


Yes the frick they do. Stats are facts. No matter how many time you and other people say it.

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There was a huge thread on here week or two ago about Les and the way he's thought of on game day.


Yes which was flat out wrong. Our ceiling isnt 9 wins and unless it was a Saban making the statement then Miles is vastly more successful than the sec coach making the statement.
There was 1 pundit saying Miles shouldve been fired. 1.
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Quit calling people names all the time. You sould like a troubled 13 yr old.
It's annoying to the adults.


I dont start the personal attacks. I respond in kind. Reading comprehension isnt your strong suit.

Everyone knows youre makinbacon. Youre not fooling anyone.
This post was edited on 8/31/16 at 7:59 am
Posted by TIGRLEE
Northeast Louisiana
Member since Nov 2009
31493 posts
Posted on 8/31/16 at 8:06 am to
I'm TIGRLEE dog.

Dwi.



You're So angry all the time.....And not all stats tell the true story.
Really shame you can't comprehend that.
I just gave you a perfectly reasonable example.
Whatever though, not arguing with you. You're the most annoying poster on this board. Lose the e-chip that resides by your right ear.
Actually you're prob just like this IRL.
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
40086 posts
Posted on 8/31/16 at 8:08 am to
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You're the most annoying poster on this board.

:(
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
29795 posts
Posted on 8/31/16 at 8:11 am to
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No we are not dumbass.



yes we are dumbass. I don't understand how you can be this stubborn and stupid.

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God youre stupid if you really believe that.



You're stupid if you believe Boston College and Wisconsin had the best defenses in the country last year, since that's what the stats tell us.

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Its coaching idiot. Only someone that doesnt have a clue what going on in cfb would say Texas a&m and auburn dont recruit as well as lsu.


when did i ever say they don't recruit as well dumbfrick? According to the rankings there are many teams that recruit as well as LSU. For some reason, we keep putting more players into the NFL than everyone else.

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Our last 2 draft classes have not been these huge classes. Educate yourself about cfb before running your mouth about shite you know nothing about.

Yet we will still put more guys in the NFL than Auburn and A&M combined probably.

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They most certainly are you football ignorant moron.

You given nothing but ignorant opinions in this thread..



whatever. I guess Case Keenum, Timmy Chang, Landry Jones, and Graham Harrell are the best QBs ever in college. And Ron Dayne is the best RB ever in college, and Trevor Insley is the best WR ever in college.
Boston College and their 3-9 record last year had the best defense, Texas Tech and Western Kentucky were the 2nd and 3rd best offenses last year, even though their offense did nothing to LSU until the game was way out of hand. WHole bunch of facts right there.

You're too stupid to keep arguing with, although i do enjoy arguing with someone so persistent.

I dont' even know what you're even arguing about anymore or how it got to this.


We are going to kick Wisconsin's arse. Fournette will rush for 202 yards, and Guice will get 77. Harris will go 10-15 for 190 yards and a TD and we will win 34-17. People will bitch that we didn't throw more, even though we racked up 322 yards rushing. We will cake walk through the next 6 games and then we'll find out what we are made of.
Posted by TIGRLEE
Northeast Louisiana
Member since Nov 2009
31493 posts
Posted on 8/31/16 at 8:12 am to
Oh it's you
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48018 posts
Posted on 8/31/16 at 8:19 am to
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yes we are dumbass. I don't understand how you can be this stubborn and stupid.



I just showed you the recruiting numbers from the last 4 years.
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You're stupid if you believe Boston College and Wisconsin had the best defenses in the country last year, since that's what the stats tell us.



At no point did i say stats determine best defense or offense.best is subjective. I said productive

Its a fact where defense are RANKED IN TOTAL DEFENSES. i never said a higher defensive or offensive rank means youre better.
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when did i ever say they don't recruit as well dumbfrick?


Thats talent you football ignorant dumbass.

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According to the rankings there are many teams that recruit as well as LSU. For some reason, we keep putting more players into the NFL than everyone else.


Not the last 3 years dumbass. Bama's 2016 class was almost as big as our last 2 classes combined. Also nfl talent doesnt always equal cfb talent. Tim Tebow doesnt count as an nfl player for florida and yet he was a great cfb qb.
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Yet we will still put more guys in the NFL than Auburn and A&M combined probably.


Yeah it's called coaching and because we run a prostyle offense. And you may want to check the last 2 drafts. But hey youve routinely not done your research in this thread.

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whatever. I guess Case Keenum, Timmy Chang, Landry Jones, and Graham Harrell are the best QBs ever in college. And Ron Dayne is the best RB ever in college, and Trevor Insley is the best WR ever in college.


Again you football ignorant moron, at no time did i ever say the word BEST. ITS A FACT THOSE PLAYERS ARE SOME OF THE MOST PRODUCTIVE PLAYERS IN CFB HISTORY
You clearly cant differentiate between best ( subjective and an opinion) and productive (facts backed up by stats).

I never once said being ranked in a stat means you're better. Whether you like it or not being 17th in the country in 2nd half points is a fact.
I dont care what your untrained eye thinks it sees. You dont even get to see the all 22 film.



And for the record, your initial post was that Miles shuts it down after getting a lead even if its the 1st quarter is easily disproven by how many 2nd half points lsu scores compared to other programs


Whether you like it or not the ncaa determined lsu played the 5th hardest strength of schedule in 2015.
Ill take facts over your untrained opinion every time.
This post was edited on 8/31/16 at 8:24 am
Posted by redfishfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
5362 posts
Posted on 8/31/16 at 8:27 am to
I thought it was very obvious Cam was bringing Harris along nicely last season until the injury at Bama. Kid played solid up until that point.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48018 posts
Posted on 8/31/16 at 8:29 am to
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I thought it was very obvious Cam was bringing Harris along nicely last season until the injury at Bama. Kid played solid up until that point.



Yep. 9 tds-0ints
2nd in the sec in qb rating.
The only stat that wasnt good was completion % and imo it wouldnt have been as bad if his wrs wouldnt have had so many drops early in the season.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
52268 posts
Posted on 8/31/16 at 8:29 am to
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I don't believe it's a matter of Harris turning a corner. It's whether the coaches care enough to put him in the position for success and trust him. We really don't know how good Harris is because he is often handcuffed. Perhaps with his health and advanced knowledge now they might open it some. He has the tools.


Come on, man! The coaches watch the kid in practice every day. They know what he can do. If they're handcuffing him it's because they KNOW that if they take the handcuffs off he'll be a turnover machine.

And I'm not knocking Harris. The kid was only in his second year. If we hadn't done such a shitty job recruiting QBs he would be seeing the field for the first time Saturday.

The fact that jamalsdeck hasn't seen what Harris can do doesn't mean the coaches haven't seen it.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48018 posts
Posted on 8/31/16 at 8:34 am to
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Penrod


Whats up brother?

You going to Wisky game?

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Come on, man! The coaches watch the kid in practice every day. They know what he can do. If they're handcuffing him it's because they KNOW that if they take the handcuffs off he'll be a turnover machine.



I swear some of these posters think they know our player's strengths and weaknesses better than the staff. They think the staff knows Harris can make every play they just refuse to call the play for some reason.
This post was edited on 8/31/16 at 8:36 am
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
52268 posts
Posted on 8/31/16 at 8:35 am to
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Stats are not facts.


Yes, they are. You mean they are not conclusive. Put another way; stats are evidence, not proof.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48018 posts
Posted on 8/31/16 at 8:36 am to
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Yes, they are. You mean they are not conclusive. Put another way; stats are evidence, not proof.



Exactly. He thinks im saying stat rankings mean youre better and ive never once said that.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
52268 posts
Posted on 8/31/16 at 8:43 am to
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There are numerous sec programs that recruit just as well as us.


Rick, you're trying to eat your cake and still have it. You write in an earlier post that Ole Miss recruits as well as us, but you also say that Bama recruits better than us. The two gaps are similar.

LSU has a talent advantage over everyone on its schedule except Bama, which has a big talent advantage over LSU.

The problem is that our talent gets concentrated in certain position groups while other position groups are bereft. So we have third string receiver and DBs getting drafted, while our dline, linebackers and QBs are manned by freshmen and sophomores.

Perhaps DJ Chark will be an NFL starter one day. Is that really going to help us this year? Will Drake Davis? I'd gladly trade one of them for a seasoned, talented OLB.
Posted by redfishfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
5362 posts
Posted on 8/31/16 at 8:49 am to
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Yep. 9 tds-0ints 2nd in the sec in qb rating. The only stat that wasnt good was completion % and imo it wouldnt have been as bad if his wrs wouldnt have had so many drops early in the season.


Exactly. And it's not like he tweaked an ankle or something. A sports hernia may be one of the more difficult injuries to play with.
Posted by TigerFanNKaty
texas
Member since Sep 2008
10313 posts
Posted on 8/31/16 at 8:55 am to
This has been the case for sometime. I stated this in a thread a couple of days ago. Louisiana is stockpiled with skill position players and our rankings have been propped up by them. Bama has out recruited us on both the offensive line and defensive line. We are now just starting to see the effect of getting Bebe and Grimes on board. If we can keep them the next few years will be sick for line play and we will start beating the gumps again.
This post was edited on 8/31/16 at 8:56 am
Posted by SportTiger1
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
29856 posts
Posted on 8/31/16 at 8:59 am to
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LSU has a talent advantage over everyone on its schedule except Bama, which has a big talent advantage over LSU.

The problem is that our talent gets concentrated in certain position groups while other position groups are bereft. So we have third string receiver and DBs getting drafted, while our dline, linebackers and QBs are manned by freshmen and sophomores.

Perhaps DJ Chark will be an NFL starter one day. Is that really going to help us this year? Will Drake Davis? I'd gladly trade one of them for a seasoned, talented OLB.


Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
29795 posts
Posted on 8/31/16 at 9:16 am to
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I just showed you the recruiting numbers from the last 4 years.



I just showed you how one team you claim recruited so well lost 21 games in those 4 years. Just b/c some guy subjectively puts a label on some high school kid doesn't mean he is going to live up to the ranking that guy gave him.

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At no point did i say stats determine best defense or offense.best is subjective. I said productive


So some stats are facts, and some are subjective?

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Not the last 3 years dumbass. Bama's 2016 class was almost as big as our last 2 classes combined. Also nfl talent doesnt always equal cfb talent. Tim Tebow doesnt count as an nfl player for florida and yet he was a great cfb qb.



You keep bringing up Bama. I dont' give a shite about them. They are more talented than everyone else. Quit talking about them. And I liked your Tim Tebow reference. Good point made.

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Yeah it's called coaching and because we run a prostyle offense. And you may want to check the last 2 drafts. But hey youve routinely not done your research in this thread.



So we run a pro style offense and that just gets guys to the NFL?
Let's look at the last 4
LSU: 27 players drafted (5 pro bowlers already)
Auburn: 10 players drafted
A&M: 10 players drafted

In the last 2 years
LSU: 9 players drafted
Auburn: 9 players drafted
A&M: 5 players drafted

In the last 11 drafts, LSU has had at least 5 players taken in every draft but 1, where they had 4. We have guys drafted that don't even start (Spencer Ware, Alfred Blue, James Wright, Ron Brooks, Kenny Hilliard).

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I never once said being ranked in a stat means you're better. Whether you like it or not being 17th in the country in 2nd half points is a fact.


So if being ranked ahead of someone doesn't mean your better than them, then whats the point of mentioning the stat? What does it really mean that we were 17th at 2nd half points? so we weren't better than everyone below us?

STATS ARE frickING RETARDED. QUIT TRYING TO USE THEM TO PROVE SOME STUPID POINT!

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You clearly cant differentiate between best ( subjective and an opinion) and productive (facts backed up by stats).



I most certainly can. You obviously can't. How many points one team scores compared to another team throughout a season has a ton of variables. Western Kentucky boosted our SOS, but if you asked anyone who'd they rather play, 10-1 WKU or 5-5 Auburn, everyone would pick WKU.

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And for the record, your initial post was that Miles shuts it down after getting a lead even if its the 1st quarter is easily disproven by how many 2nd half points lsu scores compared to other programs


I clearly showed you how he did that against MSU. Goes up 14-0 in the first quarter, attempts only 11 passes rest of the game, 8 of which were on 3rd downs converting only 2 of them. But we scored the 17th most points in the second half throughout the season so that game meant nothing.

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Whether you like it or not the ncaa determined lsu played the 5th hardest strength of schedule in 2015.
Ill take facts over your untrained opinion every time.

OK. are they factoring in 10-1 McNeese, who we didn't play and would have killed? We scheduled two cupcakes who finished the season with 10 wins. Just b/c they won 10 games doesn't mean they weren't a rent a win.
YOu really think just looking at your opponents wins and losses dictates who had the hardest schedule?
Posted by JawjaTigah
On the Bandwagon
Member since Sep 2003
22901 posts
Posted on 8/31/16 at 9:27 am to
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...the Badgers won't be a pushover. Highly doubtful we can just line up and pound them into submission.
Overconfidence has done in many a Tiger team. Fans had best take them seriously to avoid being shocked by how good they are. Aranda knows them, but they know Aranda. So that's a wash. It will be up to the offense, IMO, to determine this game's outcome. If BH is at a new level, this LSU offense will shine. If not, it will be a Big Ten slugfest groundgame. Maybe we have the edge.
Posted by TigerFanNKaty
texas
Member since Sep 2008
10313 posts
Posted on 8/31/16 at 9:32 am to
Yep as the OP stated this game is a good litmus test for where the Tigers will end up this year. It will tells a lot about Brandon Harris and how much he has improved.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48018 posts
Posted on 8/31/16 at 9:37 am to
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just showed you how one team you claim recruited so well lost 21 games in those 4 years. Just b/c some guy subjectively puts a label on some high school kid doesn't mean he is going to live up to the ranking that guy gave him.

Thats coaching. Wins and losses dont take away talent from a team.
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So some stats are facts, and some are subjective?



Please name a subjective stat.

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You keep bringing up Bama. I dont' give a shite about them. They are more talented than everyone else. Quit talking about them. And I liked your Tim Tebow reference. Good point made.



Because they are the only sec team thats vastly more superior in talent than most teams they play.
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Let's look at the last 4
LSU: 27 players drafted (5 pro bowlers already)
Auburn: 10 players drafted
A&M: 10 players drafted



The 2012 and 2013 draft class has nothing to do with the talent we have had in 2014&2015.
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In the last 11 drafts, LSU has had at least 5 players taken in every draft but 1, where they had 4. We have guys drafted that don't even start (Spencer Ware, Alfred Blue, James Wright, Ron Brooks, Kenny Hilliard).


I never said we havent. If you havent noticed multiple sec programs have stepped up their recruiting that last 2-3 years.
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if being ranked ahead of someone doesn't mean your better than them, then whats the point of mentioning the stat? What does it really mean that we were 17th at 2nd half points? so we weren't better than everyone below us?


Because stats show production WHICH IS NOT SUBJECTIVE.youre using terms like best and worse which are subjective.

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most certainly can. You obviously can't.


No you cant. You think my posting of stats shows which is better. I showed which is more productive. Productivity IS NOT SUBJECTIVE IN ANY WAY. Best offense and best defense is subjective.
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clearly showed you how he did that against MSU. Goes up 14-0 in the first quarter, attempts only 11 passes rest of the game, 8 of which were on 3rd downs converting only 2 of them. But we scored the 17th most points in the second half throughout the season so that game meant nothing.



This happens to every program and youre acting like its a lsu problem only. Every program usually has less production against the better teams they played. Ole miss had the most productive offense in the ssc and they struggled against better teams too.
If Miles shut down the offense when we got a lead even if it was the 1st quarter lsu would not have been 1 st in the sec in 2nd half points per game.

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OK. are they factoring in 10-1 McNeese, who we didn't play and would have killed? We scheduled two cupcakes who finished the season with 10 wins. Just b/c they won 10 games doesn't mean they weren't a rent a win.


Again, EVERYONE HAD RENT A WINS LAST YEAR. Our rent a wins were against far better rent a wins. Your opinion that we had an easy schedule does not outweigh facts proving we didnt just because it doesnt fit your opinion.



Please show me a stat that is subjective. Just 1.
This post was edited on 8/31/16 at 9:38 am
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