re: It takes $ to win, stop complaining and pay your share, what am I missing?

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I think that the high prices charged makes losing absolutely unacceptabe




Is there a problem with this?

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Hell no it's not a problem.

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Winning big is now the only option




Clearly winning "big" is not the only option. A win is a win. But I'd say "winning is the only option" which again I see no problem with

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Not winning big on the scoreboard. Winning big in the W and L column. A BCS bowl should always be in reach, even though it won't always break our way.

You are absolutely correct, however bad periods happen to everybody. Texas, Okla, USC, Penn St, Notre Dame, and Michigan have all hit extended dry spells at some point. Ours will probably come when we make a bad coaching hire.

How do you think the fans paying out the arse will react to just three consecutive losing seasons?

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a lot worse than they did in the early 90's, that's for sure.

a coach at LSU today would never get the chance to have 4 losing seasons in a row like Hallman did.

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Again agreed. I think it's one of the hidden benefits of higher prices. The Joe Dean approach should never be seen again at LSU.

I think 3 or 4 years of losing would force more average fans to give up their tickets. That would be unfortunate because the corporations will buy more of the stadium. As someone said earlier, the old stadium atmosphere has taken a hit since 2003. That stinks, but I still prefer winning and competing on the highest level.

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I demand excellence from the university's athletics department and I recognize that such excellence comes at a rather dear cost.

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And therein lies the problem with the OPs model, imo.

No fan anywhere should ever have the idea in their mind that they "demand" anything from their team. Think about this: if you "demand" excellence from LSU athletics, and they don't deliver, then what will you do? Stop giving them your money? That means you stop going to the games, stop wearing the clothes, stop participating in the tailgates (since you're not paying the parking fees and not going to the games). Is that the behaviour of a fan, or a customer?

And if you do keep coming to games (and therefore giving them lots of your money), then in what way can you consider yourself to "demand" excellence?

The sense of entitlement necessary for a truly demanding attitude is entirely inconsistent with the nature of being a fan. "If you'll be great then I'll support you and cheer for you, but if you start making it not fun then I'll take my time and money and find something else to cheer for" is simply not the mantra of a fan. But as the financial investments (as specifically distinguished from "donations") necessary to participate get larger and larger, that mindset tends to imbed itself. In the old days, people could go to games for next to nothing, and some people still gave thousands and millions of dollars without getting the special perks and advantages that are given out now for "contributions" or "legacy funds". If attendence were still on a lesser ecomonic standard, and those with the means were simply donating the amounts they now pay in "contributions", the finances would still be just as flush but the sense of entitlement for the arrogant wealthy crowd would not be around to cause the problems we see plagueing LSU football on a regular basis (from tailgating to attendance to stadium behaviour). But apparently many of those with the money are such great fans that they refuse to give any to LSU unless they are rewarded with special benefits and perks and other such privileges to set themselves apart from the lowlifes that can't afford the required "contributions."

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But I'd say "winning is the only option" which again I see no problem with

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"The only option . . ." or what? Will you quit going to games if we lose? Or will you just quit giving so much money . . . oh, wait; now you HAVE to quit going if you quit giving so much money.

Like I said before, in the old days you could go, or your could go AND give a bunch of money. Now the only way to go is to give a bunch of money. It is in fact the fans that are faced with "the only option".

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100% fact, but the arrogant OP made it perfectly clear that he could care less about the number of LSU die hard fans that have been priced out. He's got his tickets and screw everybody else. (More and more common self-centered attitude that's seen today)

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This is one of the best threads that I have read on this site.

I think the OP and all of us wish that there was a system in which long-time tickets holders that don't have a lot of money could still go to the games. I don't think the OP or anyone in this thread don't care. I have multiple family members that have been priced out. It sucks. The key point is that it has NOTHING to do with LSU. This is a nationwide sports issue, realistically it is a national and world economy issue. I forget the stat but the increase in the differential between a CEO's pay and a worker's pay has increased expotentially. It's all sad. But there is no point in complaining about it, NONE. And it is worse when people act like it is an LSU issue. It's not.

King - I think your post makes some good points. No you don't ever quit being a fan. But to a great extent you do get what you pay for - i.e. Curley Hallman - we got cheap for awhile. Is your question that to demand or make change that you have to quit buying tickets? Makes sense on the surface but not really true. Major boosters and the fan base can exude great pressure on whether the President, AD, etc. keep their jobs. For those that don't think the fan base has any power, see Mallveto.

I've heard this Proletarian "bruh, dey pricin da real fans out da stadium, yeah," nonsense for a while now. As a season ticket holder since the Curly Days, I can tell you this "pricing out" crap and watering down the atmosphere stuff is pure garbage. Just poor bitching. Every game is on TV now, go tailgate, watch the game on TV under a tent and get wasted.