re: It just doesn't happen here (that often)

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It was 10-7 at half. I'm not sure what the score with 4 minutes to go in the third has to do with this. He should have been pulled in the 1st half. Same with the national title after his 2nd turnover and our 50 yards. I have no problem with him pulling Lee when he struggled. The leash should have gone both ways

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The difference is that when facing those particular teams, both of which boasted Top 5 passing defenses, switching to a more gifted passer who is no threat to run is less effective than committing to the running game.

I'm not sure how anyone thinks we could have anything differently on offense against Alabama with a degree of success. Courtney Upshaw, Donta Hightower, and CJ Mosley weren't allowing ANY plays to develop.

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Jefferson was a better QB than Lee.

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You could have just posted that first, so that 88% of TD readers could have written off the rest of your garbage

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If you disagree, please share your knowledge about LSU QBs.

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Just like Zach Lee, Kiel, and Patterson. All QBs that were also committed to LSU

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Umm . . . Patterson was NEVER committed to LSU. Didn't you know that?

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As of today, LSU hasn't had a Top 10 QB sign and play in almost 10 years

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Umm . . . okay . . . wow, just wow!

Lee signed and played in the last 10 years. He was the #8 PS QB on 247 and the #7 PS QB on Rivals. Didn't you know that?

Jefferson signed and played in the last 10 years. He was the #8 PS QB on Rivals. Didn't you know that?

Mettenberger signed and played in the last 10 years. He was the #8 PS QB on 247. Didn't you know that?

Jennings signed and played in the last 10 years. He was the #6 DT QB on Rivals. Didn't you know that?

Harris signed and played in the last 10 years. He was the #3 DT QB on 247 and the #5 DT QB on Rivals. Didn't you know that?


PRO TIP: I'm not going to tell you how to post; however, I will offer a suggestion. If you want to appear knowledgeable about LSU QBs, it helps to actually HAVE KNOWLEDGE about LSU QBs.


You could have just posted your knowledge of LSU QBs first, so that 100% of TD readers could have written off the rest of your garbage.

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SU won that game at Bama cause the LSU players made the plays to win it and the Bama players didn't. And all I said bout JJ was that he came in to "help" us win the game. If you cant bring yourself to give the guy any credit in helping the team win, that's your problem and not mine

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no you mouth breathing mongoloid, LSU won because bama's kicker had the worst night of his life and LSUs defense played out of their mind.

Jefferson went 6/10 for 67 yards, I hardly see how that helped us. the fact that you put "help" in quotes seems to me that you even concede that he had very little bearing on the game.

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BTW, it's not "moran". It's moron. If you feel the need to insult a poster you disagree with, try to be smart enough to spell the insult correctly.

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Nix to Twillie and Lonnie4LSU need to get a brain.

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I'm not sure how anyone thinks we could have anything differently on offense against Alabama with a degree of success. Courtney Upshaw, Donta Hightower, and CJ Mosley weren't allowing ANY plays to develop.

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its the fact that we didn't even try. somehow, LSU was still in that game for 3 quarters.

could Lee come back and win that game? no.

but could Lee have been a spark to inspire confidence and at least make it a fight? we'll never know. THAT my friend is what irks people about 1/9/12. not the loss, its the never knowing what would have happened. Jefferson may have "saved" us in the GOTC (debatable) but he literally threw the game away on 1/9 and Lee was never even afforded an opportunity.

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RobbBobb

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It's mind boggling that there are people who got the opportunity to watch both those qbs play and will openly say 4 years later that JJ outplayed JL and was better.


Lee was twice the qb as a SR than a fresh.
JJ was worse as SR than he was as a fresh.
That's not an opinion.

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Jefferson went 6/10 for 67 yards, I hardly see how that helped us.

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Watch this YouTube link for three plays.


Watch this YouTube link.

Listen to what Gary says to Verne about the way to beat Bama.

Then watch the next four plays.

One would have to be blind to not see how Jefferson helped to win the game.

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But I did notice that you left off RS? Why? Is it because youre flat out admitting that Miles ruins Top rated QBs? Wasn't he #1? I think we all know the answer to that question

Which actually proves his point

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The statement to which I responded: "LSU hasn't had a Top 10 QB sign and play in almost 10 years." Although listed as a QB for high school, most folks did not think Shepard would play QB in college, and most folks don't consider Shepard as playing QB at LSU. Thus, Shepard did not fit either of the requisite criteria. That's why I left off Shepard.

Miles does not ruin QBs. QBs develop under Miles:



Regular season SEC games.

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Lee and JJ played the same number of years, during the exact same timeframe, with and against the same coaches, players, and playing conditions

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First, Lee had the benefit of a RS year before Jefferson even got to LSU. But okay, they both saw playing time during the same four-year period.

Second, Lee skipped most of 2009 when LSU's offensive line was terrible. And Lee looked terrible in 2009 when he did play.

Third, in 2010, as the Two-Minute Drill QB, Lee succeeded on the final drives in the Tennessee and Florida games only because he got to use fourth downs on each of those drives. Jefferson had to get 10 yards in three plays during those two games. Lee got the benefit of four downs to get 10 yards.

Third, Lee got the majority of starts after Crowton left, and that's when both QBs and the offense played much, much better.

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I don't think theres any doubt who moved the offense better.

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You're right. Jefferson started three regular season games during 2011. Every game he started was better than every one of Lee's games. LSU's three best games for moving the offense during the 2011 season ALL occurred when Jefferson started.

So, no, there's NO doubt who moved the offense better.

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One would have to be blind to not see how Jefferson helped to win the game.

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then consider me ray charles.

for the ENTIRE GAME, bamas kicker was inaccurate, due to LSUs phenomenal ST and Defensive play.

I am a big believer in the saying that one play does not make the entire game. for the ENTIRE GAME, jeffersons QBR was 41.2. that is a paltry number.

sure, he made one clutch throw, but for the most part Jefferson was mehtastic. Les was looking for any reason to get Lee out of there. He wanted Jefferson as his starter for the entire season. Miles should have kicked Jefferson off the team at the beginning of the year when Jefferson showed his true colors suckerpunching someone in a bar parking lot.

JJs last two collegiate football games more than likely rank the lowest in recorded football history.
He missed 4-5 games so yeah to say he was worse is true

I'm not really sure what there is to argue here.
I know I was a big JL fanboy but my god you take all things JJ to the next fricking level.
There's a reason why most LSU fans would consider him their least favorite.