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re: It just doesn't happen here (that often)
Posted on 3/11/15 at 10:41 pm to Hurricane Mike
Posted on 3/11/15 at 10:41 pm to Hurricane Mike
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Thanks for pointing out that LSU is behind the times since freshman QB's are playing all over college football with a helluva lot less talent surrounding them and a helluva lot cheaper coaching staff.
I guess FSU should hand back their 2013 BCS Trophy since they are "behind the times", right? Maybe Bama should give theirs back too since they both run pro style type of offenses which in your opinion is outdated.
This post was edited on 3/12/15 at 12:02 am
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Posted on 3/11/15 at 11:22 pm to Hurricane Mike
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Thanks for pointing out that LSU is behind the times since freshman QB's are playing all over college football with a helluva lot less talent surrounding them and a helluva lot cheaper coaching staff.
And outside of Terrelle Pryor and Matt Barkley why don't you entertain ALL of us and tell us which of those TRUE FRESHMAN QB's had REMOTELY close to the success expected at LSU???
Posted on 3/12/15 at 12:15 am to BigBrod81
Alabama, Kiffin, and Sims ran the HUNH spread offense this year and could not have won without it. Sims was in shotgun with 3 WR, 1 RB and they were keeping pace with Oregon in terms of plays per game, not letting defenses rest between plays. Their plays per game were the same as Oregon but not pace of play, they just had a less explosive offense than Oregon and took more plays to score.
Every NFL team has their own style of offense. Pro-style is more shotgun (75% avg, same as ALA) and 58% 3 or more WRs (avg). Pro-style is 75% shotgun and from 55-68% pass to run ratio. The pro-style the rant talks about was 13+ yrs ago or more.
Every NFL team has their own style of offense. Pro-style is more shotgun (75% avg, same as ALA) and 58% 3 or more WRs (avg). Pro-style is 75% shotgun and from 55-68% pass to run ratio. The pro-style the rant talks about was 13+ yrs ago or more.
Posted on 3/12/15 at 12:44 am to alumni95
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And outside of Terrelle Pryor and Matt Barkley why don't you entertain ALL of us and tell us which of those TRUE FRESHMAN QB's had REMOTELY close to the success expected at LSU???
Dude, 41% of the Top 100 QBs in the FBS division were Fr or Soph. Its not that difficult of a task for Miles to be able to find competent, young QBs.
We haven't had one in 10 years!! A decade??
Posted on 3/12/15 at 1:08 am to Quid Pro Quo
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Alabama, Kiffin, and Sims ran the HUNH spread offense this year
Did Alabama win the National Title this past season? What did they run when they won their last 3 titles?
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Every NFL team has their own style of offense.
No shite. You need to pull up the Wisconsin & Mississippi State games on YouTube & watch them in their entirety. After you do that, come back & tell me what you saw from an offensive formation standpoint. Only after the loss to the Bulldogs was there a cut back in shotgun & pistol formations.
Also, guess what? So does LSU. The offense runs plenty enough multiple receiver sets out shotgun or pistol formations. There is zone read sprinkled in there as well but we also use our share of I formation & pro set formations. So did Alabama this past season. They still made use of the tight & fullback which is something you never see true spread offense do.
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Pro-style is more shotgun (75% avg, same as ALA) and 58% 3 or more WRs (avg). Pro-style is 75% shotgun and from 55-68% pass to run ratio. The pro-style the rant talks about was 13+ yrs ago or more.
All you did is describe a Pro Style offense with spread elements sprinkled in. Same thing Alabama used this past season. The biggest part you are overlooking has to do with QB presnap adjustments & audibles along with presnap coverage recognition by wide receivers.
Everything in a true spread offense is predetermined. All audibles & adjustments come from check with me sideline signals. It completely takes way from any thinking by all offensive players.
In a Pro Style offense, the quarterback is responsible for those audibles. Depending on the coach, the QB can be responsible for offensive line adjustments too. Otherwise, that's the job of the center. Receivers need to be able to read coverages presnap & possibly adjust routes depending on the coverage the defense is in. A true Pro Style offense is base on the responsibilities within the system, not a bunch of formations.
So you can take all your formation percentages & shove them up your arse.
This post was edited on 3/12/15 at 11:26 pm
Posted on 3/12/15 at 1:12 am to ChewyDante
quote:JL's P's & P6's were a direct result of Crowton calling a lot of dangerous pass plays over the middle in traffic. Nice job there Gary, helping the freshman out.
Yes. I'd take Jarrett Lee any of his seasons in this offense over Jennings. No fricking doubt about it.
Go back and look at all the passing yards Lee had that year as a freshman. If CCC would have been at LSU back then, Lee would've been the starter for four years and probably the first team all-SEC QB in 2010 and 11.
I don't think Cameron is that concerned if his QB can't run real fast. (That's a nutty Miles obsession) Brees. Flacco. Rivers. Mettenberger. None a real threat with their feet, but threats with their arms...........
Posted on 3/12/15 at 1:17 am to semjase
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don't think Cameron is that concerned if his QB can't run real fast. (That's a nutty Miles obsession) Brees. Flacco. Rivers. Mettenberger. None a real threat with their feet, but threats with their arms...........
Brees was a dual threat coming out of college. Ran more than Wilson or Jefferson did in college
Posted on 3/12/15 at 1:20 am to Quid Pro Quo
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Sims was in shotgun with 3 WR, 1 RB and they were keeping pace with Oregon in terms of plays per game, not letting defenses rest between plays. Their plays per game were the same as Oregon but not pace of play, they just had a less explosive offense than Oregon and took more plays to score.
They finished 72nd in plays per game averaging 2 more a game than LSU...Oregon finished around 30
Do you people just make this stuff up?
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Every NFL team has their own style of offense. Pro-style is more shotgun (75% avg, same as ALA) and 58% 3 or more WRs (avg). Pro-style is 75% shotgun and from 55-68% pass to run ratio
Where'd you get those numbers from?
I don't think the NFL average for shotgun is anywhere 75%. I know for a fact that the saints, who love the shotgun, aren't near 75%
This post was edited on 3/12/15 at 1:27 am
Posted on 3/12/15 at 1:36 am to RobbBobb
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Dude, 41% of the Top 100 QBs in the FBS division were Fr or Soph
Now go find out how many of those freshman & sophomores play in check with me, spread, zone read systems. There's a reason pro coaches & scouts are coming out bad mouthing the style of offense. It's the GED of offensive football which is allowing underclass quarterbacks to play sooner. Offensive players do no thinking for themselves. LSU is selling recruits on competing for championships & getting them to the pros. You really want to get away from that & lose that as recruiting tool? What do you think will happen when highly touted QB recruits begin to realize that these spread offenses aren't preparing them for life in the NFL?
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Communication of another sort was one of the things that Mariota said he needed to work on in his transition to a traditional NFL offense.
"For us it's going to be huddling, I haven't huddled in a while," Mariota said. "That will be one thing. It seems like a little detail, but that is kind of a big thing."
"So many times, you're evaluating a quarterback who has never called a play in the huddle, never used a snap count," Arians said. "They hold up a card on the sideline, he kicks his foot and throws the ball. That ain't playing quarterback. There's no leadership involved there. There might be leadership on the bench, but when you get them and they have to use verbiage and they have to spit the verbiage out and change the snap count, they are light years behind.
Cardinals coach Bruce Arians on the Spread
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Looking at Mariota for the past two seasons, I don't see similarities to Rodgers in their play at the collegiate level. The Ducks' standout is an explosive athlete (6-4, 225 pounds) with exceptional speed, quickness and burst on the perimeter. He excels at executing various zone-read concepts and is comfortable using his legs to make plays on the perimeter. As a passer, Mariota displays above-average arm strength and adequate footwork. He is fairly accurate on short and intermediate throws to stationary targets, but has trouble making pinpoint tosses on anticipation or timing routes over the middle of the field. To be fair, he is rarely asked to make these throws in Oregon's system due to the volume of run-action passes featured in the playbook. Mariota routinely throws slants, "pop" passes and seam routes following a zone-read fake, so he rarely makes a conventional drop back and throw without some form of a play fake to hold second-level defenders (linebackers and/or strong safety). This system routinely puts a designated defender in a bind and asks the quarterback to hand the ball off or throw based off the defender's reaction. This allows Mariota to hit his primary read on nearly 90 percent of his passes, allowing the quarterback to function efficiently as a passer in the system.
While the Ducks' coaching staff deserves a ton of credit for making the passing game akin to a game of "pickle" for the quarterback, the NFL game requires a quarterback to frequently find his second and third option in a pure progression system. Quarterbacks are routinely asked to read from left to right or high to low based on coverage or route concepts; it takes some time for college quarterbacks coming from spread systems to adjust to the flow of the NFL passing game. Granted, Mariota has likely experienced some of those concepts during his time at Oregon, but the bulk of his throws are of the "pick and stick" variety (bubble screens, etc.) that are rarely used in the NFL.
An evaluation of Mariota but insert any spread QB here.
This post was edited on 3/12/15 at 2:47 am
Posted on 3/12/15 at 1:42 am to TigerBait1127
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Brees was a dual threat coming out of college.
Yep. He made use of his legs in Joe Tiller's air raid offense at Purdue. All those vertical routes made for a lot of running room underneath when nothing was available downfield. I bet he has no clue who Brees credits for helping him develop into the Pro he is today either. That would be one Cam Cameron
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Brees. Flacco. Rivers. Mettenberger.
Oh wait. Apparently he does.
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Ran more than Wilson or Jefferson did in college
You know what's even crazier? Wilson operated in wide open Pro Style offenses at both NC State & Wisconsin. Didn't use much zone read at all if any. Pull up his highlights. Now Seattle is forcing it on him. I understand why. His legs plus Lynch put a ton of stress on defense. The zone read action makes for some huge running lanes for Beast Mode too but it's severely hindering Wilson's development to become an elite passer. They aren't allowing him to have to make many reads without the help of the zone read play fakes. It doesn't help that his OC is Darrell Bevell either. If not for Brett Favre in Minnesota, Bevell never gets that job with the Seahawks in the first place.
This post was edited on 3/12/15 at 2:50 am
Posted on 3/12/15 at 7:50 am to LSUTil_iDie
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With 1st year starters at WR that couldn't get open or fight off jams?
Right, it was the receivers fault AJ struggled all year. Must have been their fault that he was so terrible against Sam Houston and Harris wasn't.
And Travin Dural was not a freshman. Nor was Diarse. Jennings had a few young but very talented receivers along with a top notch o-line, running game, and defense to take pressure off passing game and still had a horrendous season.
But lol it was because of the receivers.
Posted on 3/12/15 at 10:01 am to RIPMachoMan
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Jarrett Lee > Anthony Jennings
Short memory on those pick 6's?
Short memory on those 6 games where Jennings failed to reach 50% completion rate?
Posted on 3/12/15 at 11:05 am to League Champs
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JL in 2008 Game #1 - did not start Game #2 - did not start Game #3 - did not start Game #11 - injured for last half of game Game #12 - did not Play Game #13 - did not Play AJ in 2014 Game #6 - did not start
And exactly how does any of your post change JL's or Jennings' CMP% or YDS/A or INTS or RAT.???
JL, good guy or not, savior at QB for our 1st 4 games in 2011 or not, had a nightmare type passing effort in 08 with his throwing to the wrong team. I like JL and I thank him for his efforts at LSU, but I have never been more concerned when a LSU QB dropped back as I was when he was in the game in 08.
Fans in 2015 trying to make light of our ints and pick-6s in 08 in an effort to belittle Jennings after the 2014 season are more than a tad amusing to me.
Posted on 3/12/15 at 12:23 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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Fans in 2015 trying to make light of our ints and pick-6s in 08 in an effort to belittle Jennings after the 2014 season are more than a tad amusing to me.
I'm saying the same shite now about Jarrett I said in '08 and '09, so you can drop that bs. And no one is trying to "belittle" Jennings. This is a discussion about the QB play on a message board. Jennings was awful last year and LSU's QB play was the laughing stock of the conference.
Some of us recognized that Jarrett had legitimate talent to succeed in the right offense and that those pick sixes were an anomaly. I'm quite amused by people mentioning the INT's Jarrett threw year one with no context offered in order to justify Jennings' bad year.
Posted on 3/12/15 at 12:50 pm to BeeFense5
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The way you talk about Lee makes me think that you believe he was a mentally fragile guy.
Mentally fragile? Really? Fragile? Miles intentionally screwed with that kids head
Ex #1: In '08 Lee gets hurt, and JJ takes over. Loses to Ole Miss. JJ then starts the next game and loses to Arky. So when Lee is healthy for the Chick bowl, does he start after 2 straight losses? (ref: Did Miles continue to let freshman Harris start after losing to Auburn?) Nope and Nope
Ex #2: In '09 JJ gets hurt. Lee comes in and wins the La Tech game. Does he regain the starting job? Nope. JJ starts again, and proceeds to lose to Ole Miss
Ex #3: In '10 Lee leads us to wins vs Tenn, Fla, and seals the deal vs Bama, and posts better stats vs BCS champ Auburn despite injuring his throwing hand. Does he start any in '11? Nope, not once
Ex #4: In '11 Lee leads LSU to a big lead over NSU. Miles yanks him at halftime, which he has never done to any other QB in 10 years
Ex #5: In '11 Despite Lee being undefeated against 6 ranked teams, JJ returns from suspension for 1 practice, and in his 1st game back, on the 1st scoring drive Miles trots JJs arse out there to run the ball in. It takes him 2 tries.
Ex #6: In '11, despite Lee being 2/2 vs Bama in Nov, Miles decides its a great idea to pull him on the 5th play of the game so that JJ can run for a 1st down
Ex #7: In '11 for Senior Day, Lee didn't even get credit from Miles for sticking it out, when all the rest of the QBs have bailed on him. In a 24 point blowout, Lee got to hand the ball off 4 times, and kneel once during the last series. Despite JJ throwing on 5 of 7 downs during the previous series!
Ex #8: In '11 JJ has games of 30 yards passing, and 50 yards passing, and Lee does not so much as see one down, despite Miles proven track record of constantly subbing in the backup when Lee was the starter
That's not a fragile mentality, that's sitting on pins and needles waiting to get pulled. Having no confidence that you will develop any kind of rhythm. Miles screwed with Lees head in retaliation for the '08 pickfest, and hes continuing to do it with every drop back passer since.
Posted on 3/12/15 at 12:53 pm to BigBrod81
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LSU is selling recruits on competing for championships & getting them to the pros
10-3
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Sorry, top QB recruits aint buying that shite anymore. All they see is JJ and AJ, and know they will not get a fair shot to compete
Posted on 3/12/15 at 1:33 pm to RobbBobb
Posted on 3/12/15 at 1:35 pm to Salviati
Your shite is weak Sal.
Posted on 3/12/15 at 1:36 pm to RobbBobb
quote:You are so consistently accurate, it's a wonder that people don't hang on your every word.
Sorry, top QB recruits aint buying that shite anymore. All they see is JJ and AJ, and know they will not get a fair shot to compete
Posted on 3/12/15 at 1:37 pm to RedTigerRulz
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Your shite is weak Sal.
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