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Is this really Cam Cameron offense?
Posted on 11/19/15 at 8:39 am
Posted on 11/19/15 at 8:39 am
I am not in the middle of the situation as I live 5 hours away but I have seen 4 different offensive coordinators under Miles Jimbo, Crowton, Stud and now Cameron and I basically have seen the same archaic offense in the entire 11 years that Miles has been here. What is the common thread? It seems to be that Miles is calling the shots not the offensive coordinator.
Now the defensive situation is a joke. I knew that when Miles hired Kevin Steele. Bammers up here were laughing their asses off over that hire.
Now the defensive situation is a joke. I knew that when Miles hired Kevin Steele. Bammers up here were laughing their asses off over that hire.
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Posted on 11/19/15 at 8:42 am to Tigah n T-town
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Now the defensive situation is a joke. I knew that when Miles hired Kevin Steele. Bammers up here were laughing their asses off over that hire.
Some say it was for his recruiting ability...I hope so b/c I am not confident in his DC abilities
Posted on 11/19/15 at 8:42 am to Tigah n T-town
Go watch an old San Diego Chargers film when Cam was coordinator and tell us if this is his offense. Some of the passing game is his, but this running game is all Miles.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 8:43 am to Tigah n T-town
no...LSU pays the guy a million dollars to sit in a booth and do crossword puzzles.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 8:45 am to Tigah n T-town
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I am not in the middle of the situation as I live 5 hours away but I have seen 4 different offensive coordinators under Miles Jimbo, Crowton, Stud and now Cameron and I basically have seen the same archaic offense in the entire 11 years that Miles has been here. What is the common thread? It seems to be that Miles is calling the shots not the offensive coordinator.
You have actually seen NO difference in the offense? None. No difference between Flynn and Russell? No difference between Jefferson and Mett?
None at all?
Posted on 11/19/15 at 8:45 am to Tigah n T-town
It's a very pared back version of what he did in the NFL, but that may well be because he doesn't have professional athletes to work with at this level.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 8:45 am to Choctaw
The coordinators change but the offense stays the same. What is the constant? Leslie Edwin Miles!
Posted on 11/19/15 at 8:46 am to KyrieElaison
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but the offense stays the same
except it hasn't. the offense has changed a few times over the past 11 years
Posted on 11/19/15 at 8:48 am to sjmabry
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Go watch an old San Diego Chargers film when Cam was coordinator and tell us if this is his offense. Some of the passing game is his, but this running game is all Miles.
The Charger offenses that looked better under Turner? The Raven offenses that were better under Caldwell?
The Miami Dolphins under Cam's guidance?
Cameron has been fired from every job he's had in his last 4-5 stops.
It's not his offense, but it's not like he's the greatest offensive mind of all time.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 8:50 am to KyrieElaison
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The coordinators change but the offense stays the same. What is the constant? Leslie Edwin Miles!
This offense is not the same as it was under Crowton or Stud.
However, it's not the same offense that Cam ran for years in the NFL either. It seems to be a mix of what Cam likes to do and what Miles likes to do.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 8:50 am to Choctaw
quote:. Well when you only run 40-50 plays a game, you got a lot of time on your hands.
no...LSU pays the guy a million dollars to sit in a booth and do crossword puzzles.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 8:51 am to RB10
quote:This
It seems to be a mix of what Cam likes to do and what Miles likes to do.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 8:54 am to Tigah n T-town
Have you not noticed miles constantly talking on the head set when our offense is on the field? Or him holding the offensive playsheet? If anyone thinks this is cams offense you are blind.
The only other coaches that do that are head coach/offensive coordinator.
The only other coaches that do that are head coach/offensive coordinator.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 9:00 am to bstew3006
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Have you not noticed miles constantly talking on the head set when our offense is on the field? Or him holding the offensive playsheet? If anyone thinks this is cams offense you are blind.
The only other coaches that do that are head coach/offensive coordinator.
You haven't watched any football have you? You have NEVER seen any other coach talking into the headset? You haven't seen any other coach with a play sheet? Or talking into a head set?
Damn man pay attention. If you have a beef with Miles at least be correct. This entire lynch mod is populated with a bunch of idiots.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 9:04 am to Tigah n T-town
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Now the defensive situation is a joke. I knew that when Miles hired Kevin Steele. Bammers up here were laughing their asses off over that hire.
LSU fans alike thought it was one of the worst hires LSU could have made based on the list we knew was being considered. It was literally THE WORST possible hire on the list, not even close. The only salvageable quality of Steele's is his ability to recruit. Other than that, he's proven more than once he cannot coach well.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 9:05 am to Tigah n T-town
Ravens message board discussing Cam's offense
quote:Does any of that sound familiar?
I guess it depends on your definition of conservative. If you think that implies the coordinator is unwilling to throw the ball and risk a turnover, then no, he's not conservative. He will throw the ball plenty. And he will throw the ball deep, attacking downfield. So in that sense you are right, conservative doesn't really fit.
On the other hand, there have been times that he seemed to baby Flacco(Harris) -- justly or unjustly, I don't know -- and not ask him to make throws into coverage. That brand of conservatism led to a predictable offense. Opponents knew it was likely an out pattern or a throw over the top, but rarely a throw in-between defenders, in traffic. Teams knew where the ball was going.
I think another factor at work is simply style of play. Bililck used to call it his offensive profile. (In Billick's case it was justification for being a run-first team where the quarterback was asked to not make mistakes).
The Ravens philosophy on offense seems to be built around Ray Rice(LF7), a full back, and the use of tight ends. You aren't going to look much like a Mike Martz offense when that is your primary personnel group.
That style of play works fine when you can run the ball effectively and know you can put yourself into third and short situations. Cam can be plenty creative in those situations where he has all sorts of options to run a draw, a screen, a slant or even go deep sometimes. Teams really can't predict what he'll do in those situations. Whereas when it's third and long, Cam's playcalling does become too predictable.
I'm not sure why, in those situations, he doesn't bring in the three or four receivers sets, or split out Rice more (which he started to do) and rely on creative route running.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 9:10 am to Oddibe
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Does any of that sound familiar?
The mouth breathers on this board will never admit that the offense is different, because it's not easily noticeable.
Fact of the matter is this is Cam's passing offense mixed with Miles' ground and pound. The QB play and route tree are almost identical to his Charger and Raven offenses. The only difference is the lack of throws to RBs, which is Miles.
This post was edited on 11/19/15 at 9:11 am
Posted on 11/19/15 at 9:42 am to RB10
quote:Agree it's Cam's O, and actually #7 had 5 targets/0rec vs bama. Didn't bother counting vs piggies.
The only difference is the lack of throws to RBs, which is Miles.
Harris has had trouble with hot, or pretty much any route under 10yds.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 9:57 am to RuLSU
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RuLSU
you do realize that his last year at San Diego his offense was ranked #1 in the league and the year he was fired at the Ravens his offense was ranked # 2 in the league??
I am going to put money that he knows more about how to run a successful offense than any offense coordinator we have had.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 10:11 am to bstew3006
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Or him holding the offensive playsheet?
I've seen 2 actual pics of Miles with playsheet on tRant, vs 999.9hrs of game film without it, so Cameron is just another member of a long line of puppets since 2005.
quote:Wait, Miles is wearing a headset when the D is on field!!!
The only other coaches that do that are head coach/offensive coordinator.
All football deficiencies miraculously explained!!!!
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