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re: Is the "Victim" mentality hurting us in the long run?

Posted on 11/26/18 at 6:56 pm to
Posted by Metaloctopus
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2018
6687 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 6:56 pm to
All of the people calling our fanbase "whiners" on this board, are just hell bent on proving that everyone sucks but them.

Did we "whine" about the refs costing us the games versus Florida and Alabama? No, we were angry about the horrible targeting penalty on White, on top of years of mind blowing missed calls during, or in White's case, leading up to the Bama game.

And the A&M game was literally one of the worst officiated games ever. And that cannot be overstated. It was an absolute travesty, with a lot on the line for LSU.

Any fan base who just thinks that's ok, and just "part of the game", has standards that are entirely too low.
This post was edited on 11/26/18 at 6:57 pm
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
38958 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 6:58 pm to
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The problem is that not all conferences have equally qualified refs, and it is possible that not all are honest and above board.


All you have to do is look at Pac-12 refs...the most inept in the country. SEC refs may have some "orders from above" bias - wouldn't put that sort of corruption beyond the realm of possibility when it comes to the SEC...and its history of challenging boxing for corruption.

But the Pac-12 refs are just morons. And teams get screwed left and right every year in spectacular fashion but teams just move on...because crying doesn't change the result.

I guess there might be a difference if you feel you are getting purposefully screwed vs. if you are getting screwed based on incompetence.

Look at what happened to Oklahoma vs. Oregon years ago...the SEC would call that malice and home-cookin' and SEC HQ mandate...Pac-12 fans just say it as par for the course incompetence and Oklahoma moved on and barely raised a peep about the biggest injustice the sport has seen in 30 years.

Not only did Oregon touch the ball before 10 yards, Oklahoma ACTUALLY recovered the ball.

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Oklahoma recovering the football:

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Posted by saintsman40
Member since Nov 2015
1372 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 6:58 pm to
Posted by Tigers4life
The great US of A
Member since May 2004
1970 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 7:00 pm to
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Is the "Victim" mentality hurting us in the long run?


Yes it is....we need to man up and quit whining constantly.
Posted by LouisianaLonghorn
Austin, Texas
Member since Jan 2006
15656 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 7:05 pm to
How do we get even with the likes of Ed Orgeron and Steve Ensminger running our football team?
Posted by Rekrul
Member since Feb 2007
9263 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 7:19 pm to
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Any fan base who just thinks that's ok, and just "part of the game", has standards that are entirely too low.


See this is where your snowflake mentality is so flawed. Did the refs make Burrow throw 2 interceptions and earn a 33qbr in the Florida game? Did they cause his fumble? Not picking on Burrow but those were game changing plays, it happens and no the refs had nothing to do with any of them.

Bama game, did the refs force our coaches to continually run offensive plays against a defense that denied those plays over and over and over? Did the refs game plan for LSU’s offense all week to have any kind of plan B? I doubt they were at LSU’s practices.

A&M game, did the refs prevent LSU from running Fournette more since he was clearly the most productive RB when he was on the field? Did the refs force LSU to run 3 straight running plays with 2 minutes in regulation which resulted in a punt instead of a first down that would have ended the game? Did the refs make us play 15 yards off of receivers and give up a first down on 4th and 18?

I agree shitty calls happen and it’s frustrating, but focusing on that is a waste of time. Focus on fixing the more obvious via TAF and BOS.

Not a fricking billboard in Birmingham Alabama you dummies

Posted by OystermanTiger
Jacksonville, Fl.
Member since Mar 2015
625 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 7:22 pm to
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If you’re good enough the Referees don’t matter
Posted by JohnnyU
Florida
Member since Nov 2006
12350 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 7:23 pm to
What’s hurting us is not having a complete roster, a modern offensive philosophy and a great coaching staff.
Posted by Bristol Dawg
God's Country
Member since Jul 2016
2934 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 7:26 pm to
Definitely - Even though the conspiracy is real, we’ve lost all credibility. Outside of ourselves, there’s no one who watches closely enough to see the consistencies.

With that said, we still had control of our own destiny and 7OT’s to end the game.
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33861 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 7:31 pm to
Well said OP.

The victim mentality absolutely hurts the program and I believe it spreads from the fans to the players and coaches.
Posted by Metaloctopus
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2018
6687 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 7:31 pm to
You just proved that you didn't read my post.

You asked about two games (Alabama and Florida), and how I could blame those losses on the refs... I SPECIFICALLY outlined those two games as games that we did NOT blame on the refs, to point out that we don't just sit here and "whine" about every loss.

The complaining was about an awful targeting call which virtually the ENTIRE country agreed with us on, and the A&M game which had several game ending calls missed. That's something to be legitimately upset about.

A snowflake is someone who stands in the street and protests existing law, simply on the basis that they don't like it, even though most of them don't even know what the law actually states. A snowflake is someone who defies reason and basic biology to argue for the sake of arguing.

And you just tried to argue with me on the basis of a statement that was the exact opposite of what I actually said. Try again.
This post was edited on 11/26/18 at 8:02 pm
Posted by Metaloctopus
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2018
6687 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 7:35 pm to
And no one (at least I surely am not) is denying the bad play calls at times. But there are bad decisions, and then there are officials making themselves a HUGE factor in the game. One is clearly far more egregious than the other.

If you've been paying ANY attention, Ed Orgeron and Steve Ensminger get tons of criticism. So we're just supposed to let the refs off the hook? This is how people get walked all over in life. They just accept whatever happens and give up.
This post was edited on 11/26/18 at 7:37 pm
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33861 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 7:35 pm to
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Nationally I think the viewers are smart enough to see what transpired in that game to know LSU is not just whining as victims.




The problem is we cry so many other times about lesser incidents that when we legitimately get screwed it's assumed that we're just whining again. It's crying wolf.
Posted by Rekrul
Member since Feb 2007
9263 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 7:36 pm to
quote:

You asked about two games (Alabama and Florida)


I didn’t ask you a damn thing, I was replying to your post.

So try again snowflake

Posted by Cincinnati Bowtie
Sparta
Member since May 2008
11951 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 7:40 pm to
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Constant whining about officiating is a loser mentality and will start to affect our recruiting pretty quickly.

Like it did after getting raped at Auburn in 06 and Alabama in 09?
GTFO
Posted by tbone_jay
Member since Nov 2016
264 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 7:42 pm to
Live in Texas, go to church with lots of aggies. Our whining looks bad. They agree the calls went there way, however they made plays. Point is the fumbled punt, and the failure to be aggressive on third down late, lost this game. Never want to give your opponent a chance to beat you....we did not put them away. It's time to go grab your vagasil, and move on. It's a loss, over, done, ain't changing. We are LSU not cry babies.
Posted by Metaloctopus
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2018
6687 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 7:42 pm to
"Bama game, did the refs force our coaches to continually run offensive plays against a defense that denied those plays over and over and over? Did the refs game plan for LSU’s offense all week to have any kind of plan B?"

^^^ Questions you asked me.

"A&M game, did the refs prevent LSU from running Fournette more since he was clearly the most productive RB when he was on the field? Did the refs force LSU to run 3 straight running plays with 2 minutes in regulation which resulted in a punt instead of a first down that would have ended the game? Did the refs make us play 15 yards off of receivers and give up a first down on 4th and 18?"

^^^ Yet more questions that you asked me... Just as I said you did.


First you didn't read MY post correctly, and now you don't even remember your own post. Try one more time, snow flurry.
Posted by Metaloctopus
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2018
6687 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 7:54 pm to
All of the mistakes LSU made along the way were LSU's fault, of course. Absolutely. Can't let those things happen. But they happen. Players are supposed to decide games, one way or the other, not refs. You aren't going to go through many games without players making some bad mistakes.

The officials blew calls, even with the benefit of replay, and didn't even want to replay the fumble in overtime. That is inexcusable.

A&M made mistakes, too. So why do they deserve to win, and not LSU? If we're just talking about some questionable flags, I'm not going to pin it on the refs. These were egregious blown calls, and there were many. And if LSU somehow still didn't deserve to win because they made mistakes, then, again, neither did A&M.
This post was edited on 11/26/18 at 7:57 pm
Posted by Brazos
Member since Oct 2013
20557 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 8:01 pm to
No one hates LSU dude. That’s made up BS by losers.
Posted by GeorgeWest
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2013
14668 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 8:06 pm to
Anything we say out loud or put in print that sounds conspiratorial makes us look like fools.

There is no conspiracy to screw LSU in the SEC.

That being said, we have had problems like the bridge football schedules back in the early 2010s, the stupid insistence on permanent cross-division games, and certainly bad calls like against A&M.

IMO, we should focus on specific injustices like the fumble-incompletion by A&M that robbed us of a win. Focus on things that are easily provable.
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