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re: Is our strength and conditioning program overrated?

Posted on 2/24/14 at 1:02 pm to
Posted by biglego
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Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 1:02 pm to
The defense seemed weak this year at DL and LB but I don't know if that's Moffits fault. Does seem to be a focus on speed over size, which is prob good due to modern offenses. Pelini was helpless against a spread.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 1:04 pm to
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The defense seemed weak this year at DL and LB but I don't know if that's Moffits fault


we only lost 7 or 8 studs from last year.
Posted by LSUnKaty
Katy, TX
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 1:14 pm to
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I know the Moffitt slobbers will have a problem with this question?
It ain't all about brute strength dude.
Posted by MrJimBeam
Member since Apr 2009
12346 posts
Posted on 2/24/14 at 1:15 pm to
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I have noticed our linemen are not doing well on the bench press at the NFL combine.



well laying on your back pressing weight up is the most important part of training for football IMO duhhh
Posted by CharlesLSU
Member since Jan 2007
31925 posts
Posted on 2/24/14 at 1:19 pm to
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well laying on your back pressing weight up is the most important part of training for football IMO duhhh


while overstated, the ability to shove people does have some value.
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 1:29 pm to
Yeah exactly, it was an aberration last year
Posted by 337Tiger19
Lake Charles, LA
Member since Feb 2014
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 1:31 pm to
They're plenty strong, just less mass for some players which allows them to play faster
Posted by LSUfan20005
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 1:42 pm to
1.) The bench press is not a very effective measure of strength. It would be better to test squat or clean, but this is logistically difficult at the combine.

2.) Since they are testing max reps at 225, the combine doesn't even test bench press strength, more like muscular endurance. These guys could easily have 500 benches, but you'd never know it.

3.) Anyone with long arms is discriminated against in the bench press (so a prototypical, pass-knocking down DE may not look so goood).
Posted by wilfont
Gulfport, MS on a Jet Ski
Member since Apr 2007
14860 posts
Posted on 2/24/14 at 2:03 pm to
I have an acquaintance whose son is an asst. weight coach at Maryland. The kid says LSU is the standard they want to reach in College Park.
Posted by skinny domino
sebr
Member since Feb 2007
14344 posts
Posted on 2/24/14 at 2:45 pm to
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This is where the term rant tard came from
drop the rant and you got it
Posted by JTA1985
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 2:56 pm to
Can the big cat drill!
Posted by RazorTiger30
Central Ark
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 4:04 pm to
Didn't Tyrann say something along the lines of last time I checked you don't have to bench press a lot to intercept footballs. Big numbers are impressive but not always useful for determining if a player is good or not.
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 5:45 pm to
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I have noticed our linemen are not doing well on the bench press at the NFL combine.


And it doesn't seem to matter unless you're talking OL. Since 2007, there has only been one year when a LSU DL player was not starting sometime in their rookie year.
Posted by ppplsu
Texas
Member since Nov 2011
37 posts
Posted on 2/24/14 at 5:56 pm to
Overrated? Are you insane? The only game when LSU seemed out of gas was in the infamous "hammer and nail" game vs UF two years ago. And Minter went out injured. Other than that, we ALWAYS look good.

Stop watching the combine if you're going to make these conclusions.
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
26695 posts
Posted on 2/24/14 at 6:00 pm to
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Bench press is a dick measuring contest. Who cares?


Exactly. It's not real strength as some guys like Michael Ford can bench 400 lbs but gets dropped like a feather. Mathieu put up 4 reps of 225, but he is knocking the shite out of guys way bigger guys, and taking footballs right from their locked arms.

Hell for me, the first time I ever benched was my 10th grade year (first time I started playing organized football), I could only throw up 220 at the time as a max, but nobody on my team was beating my leverage and hitting power but our FB.
Posted by alajones
Huntsvegas
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 9:01 pm to
I've noticed that starting in 2011 it seems as if our defense is built to stop the spread attack. Just my opinion and doesn't really answer the question.
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 9:52 pm to
I think they do the bench press at the combine for two reasons. It would be hard measure useable football strength exercises like cleans, push press, squats, etc due to they are also greatly dependent on form and technique and depth. Just to many variables. Where as bench is more straight forward. Two, it kind of shows who to stay away from in the draft. A guy with big bench numbers likely has short arms and/or spent to much time in the gym working on the 'glamour' exercises/muscles and probably is stiff and without good 'useable' strength. In other words, big bench numbers at the combine are probably looked at as a negative in most cases. A player would be well advised to sandbag his numbers a little on the bench at the combine.
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